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[quoted text, click to view] "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on which > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework to > fail? > > >
Can you be more specific?
[quoted text, click to view] "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on which > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework to > fail? > > >
What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on which after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework to fail?
Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll?
What is .NET written with? Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder on Windows 98/NT/XP? [quoted text, click to view] "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Can you be more specific? > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on which > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework to > > fail? > > > > > > > >
[quoted text, click to view] "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message news:%23s%23PtRDhDHA.3868@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll? > What is .NET written with? > Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder on > Windows 98/NT/XP? > Yes, there is no code you run on your system that doesn't access atleast one kernel level function. Everything from windowing, consoles, drawing, memory allocation, etc are provided somewhere down in the depths of the system, including executable loading. The .NET exe's that run are not directly related to any of them, they import mscoree.dll and thats about it. mscoree.dll imports from kernel32.dll, advapi32.dll, user32.dll, shlwapi.dll, and urlmon.dll directly, according to depends.exe. No matter what language you write in, even java, the language is going to use those underlying functions, probably that specific set mostly, because it provides alot of features. But, those dll's shouldn't change much, they are pretty central to the system and are hard to break. Other components of the system also use OLE32.dll and MSVCR71.dll directly. There are probably a good number of other dlls under those as well. Many of the windows forms controls wrap the system provided controls. Also, did you have to post this so widely? Just one group would have been enough I'd think. [quoted text, click to view] > > "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message > news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > Can you be more specific? > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on which > > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework to > > > fail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
[quoted text, click to view] "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message news:eecR2nPhDHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > Microsoft, > > Can you allow a registering the system core dll into many registry? > You only have one registry in one operating system. > This way, every .NET framework version can run independently. > What do you mean? I'm afraid that didn't make much sense. ..NET framework versions run independently of each other, but not independently of the operating system, no framework can run independently of the operating system. [quoted text, click to view] > Thanks. > > > > > "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message > news:NR2db.343554$2x.105630@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > news:%23s%23PtRDhDHA.3868@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll? > > > What is .NET written with? > > > Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder > on > > > Windows 98/NT/XP? > > > > > > > Yes, there is no code you run on your system that doesn't access atleast > one > > kernel level function. Everything from windowing, consoles, drawing, > memory > > allocation, etc are provided somewhere down in the depths of the system, > > including executable loading. > > The .NET exe's that run are not directly related to any of them, they > import > > mscoree.dll and thats about it. mscoree.dll imports from kernel32.dll, > > advapi32.dll, user32.dll, shlwapi.dll, and urlmon.dll directly, according > to > > depends.exe. > > No matter what language you write in, even java, the language is going to > > use those underlying functions, probably that specific set mostly, because > > it provides alot of features. > > But, those dll's shouldn't change much, they are pretty central to the > > system and are hard to break. > > > > Other components of the system also use OLE32.dll and MSVCR71.dll > directly. > > There are probably a good number of other dlls under those as well. > > > > Many of the windows forms controls wrap the system provided controls. > > > > Also, did you have to post this so widely? Just one group would have been > > enough I'd think. > > > > > > "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message > > > news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > > Can you be more specific? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > > > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on > > which > > > > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET > Framework > > to > > > > > fail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Microsoft,
Can you allow a registering the system core dll into many registry? You only have one registry in one operating system. This way, every .NET framework version can run independently. Thanks. [quoted text, click to view] "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message news:NR2db.343554$2x.105630@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > news:%23s%23PtRDhDHA.3868@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll? > > What is .NET written with? > > Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder on > > Windows 98/NT/XP? > > > > Yes, there is no code you run on your system that doesn't access atleast one > kernel level function. Everything from windowing, consoles, drawing, memory > allocation, etc are provided somewhere down in the depths of the system, > including executable loading. > The .NET exe's that run are not directly related to any of them, they import > mscoree.dll and thats about it. mscoree.dll imports from kernel32.dll, > advapi32.dll, user32.dll, shlwapi.dll, and urlmon.dll directly, according to > depends.exe. > No matter what language you write in, even java, the language is going to > use those underlying functions, probably that specific set mostly, because > it provides alot of features. > But, those dll's shouldn't change much, they are pretty central to the > system and are hard to break. > > Other components of the system also use OLE32.dll and MSVCR71.dll directly. > There are probably a good number of other dlls under those as well. > > Many of the windows forms controls wrap the system provided controls. > > Also, did you have to post this so widely? Just one group would have been > enough I'd think. > > > > "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message > > news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > Can you be more specific? > > > > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on > which > > > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework > to > > > > fail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
..NET does not use any Windows DLL's, in fact, it creates an instance of Mac
OS X and then executes in that VM. So you can delete all the Windows DLL's and still run all your .NET applications. [quoted text, click to view] "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message news:%23s%23PtRDhDHA.3868@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll? > What is .NET written with? > Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder on > Windows 98/NT/XP? > > > "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message > news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > Can you be more specific? > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on which > > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework to > > > fail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Is there a list of what libraries in the .NET that rely on Pinvoke or
platform specifics (winforms etc) [quoted text, click to view] "Dmitriy Lapshin [C# / .NET MVP]" <x-code@no-spam-please.hotpop.com> wrote in message news:OTrrT2NjDHA.3212@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Look, that could become a new .NET anecdote :-) > > I think .NET at least relies on DLLs shipped with Windows (kernel, gdi32, > user and so on). But these are unlikely to be replaced by an installation > routine. The rest of the libraries depends on which framework features you > use in your programs. If you, for example, used P/Invoke aggressively, you > could end up being highly dependent on certain versions of a number of DLLs > whereas their absence wouldn't cause the framework itself to fail. > > -- > Dmitriy Lapshin [C# / .NET MVP] > X-Unity Test Studio > http://x-unity.miik.com.ua/teststudio.aspx > Bring the power of unit testing to VS .NET IDE > > "Joubert" <j@j.j> wrote in message > news:uLi6v2qhDHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > .NET does not use any Windows DLL's, in fact, it creates an instance of > Mac > > OS X and then executes in that VM. So you can delete all the Windows DLL's > > and still run all your .NET applications. > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > news:%23s%23PtRDhDHA.3868@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll? > > > What is .NET written with? > > > Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder > on > > > Windows 98/NT/XP? > > > > > > > > > "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message > > > news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > > Can you be more specific? > > > > > > > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > > > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on > > which > > > > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET > Framework > > to > > > > > fail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Look, that could become a new .NET anecdote :-)
I think .NET at least relies on DLLs shipped with Windows (kernel, gdi32, user and so on). But these are unlikely to be replaced by an installation routine. The rest of the libraries depends on which framework features you use in your programs. If you, for example, used P/Invoke aggressively, you could end up being highly dependent on certain versions of a number of DLLs whereas their absence wouldn't cause the framework itself to fail. -- Dmitriy Lapshin [C# / .NET MVP] X-Unity Test Studio http://x-unity.miik.com.ua/teststudio.aspx Bring the power of unit testing to VS .NET IDE [quoted text, click to view] "Joubert" <j@j.j> wrote in message
news:uLi6v2qhDHA.1300@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > .NET does not use any Windows DLL's, in fact, it creates an instance of Mac > OS X and then executes in that VM. So you can delete all the Windows DLL's > and still run all your .NET applications. > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > news:%23s%23PtRDhDHA.3868@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > Not to mention VC++ .NET, is VB.NET, C#.NET, ASP.NET using NTDLL.dll? > > What is .NET written with? > > Is it built on any of the DLL/OCX in Windows or Windows\System32 folder on > > Windows 98/NT/XP? > > > > > > "Mr.Tickle" <MrTickle@mrmen.com> wrote in message > > news:OH80rw3gDHA.3276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > Can you be more specific? > > > > > > > > > "Allan Wong" <mmrezz@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message > > > news:e9HRZS2gDHA.4024@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > > > What are the under-lying DLLs or libraries that .NET is sitting on > which > > > > after installing another program will cause the entire .NET Framework > to > > > > fail? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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