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dotnet compact framework : Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish the .NET CF 2.0 release
In my latest blog
[http://realworldsa.dotnetdevelopersjournal.com/compact_framework_20_team_needs_to_finish_the_net_cf_20_rele.htm] I list several links to CF 2.0 shortcomings. It is evident that the CF 2.0 team needs to be pulled out of whatever they are working on in WCF and come back to finish the .NET CF 2.0 release. I keep hearing "We are listening", but I think we've said enough that it is now time to start producing. The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish the .NET CF 2.0 release.
[quoted text, click to view] > The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish > the .NET CF 2.0 release. What? I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome wasn't built in a day. I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the code sample I needed". Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from there.
It did start with nice enquiries a little over a month ago and the only
responses I got were "Look at OpenNETCF", "Sorry we have moved on to WCF", "We didn't have the time", "Put it in the product suggestion site", or "We wanted to but didn't get to it". My nice enquiries didn't get me or the other people I know who are looking for the same thing anything. So I am trying a different route. I don't feel as if the release was given the attention it needed because Microsoft is moving so quickly towards their next release. I am sure it is not the teams fault, but the people coming up with the timelines that forced them to take shortcuts should be made aware they made a bad business decision, and released an unfinished product. [quoted text, click to view] "Chance Hopkins" wrote:
> > > The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish > > the .NET CF 2.0 release. > > What? > > I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome > wasn't built in a day. > > I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try not > to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a valued > member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are irrational and > over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the code sample I > needed". > > Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what > you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from there. > >
Documentation should be produced, and they are still releasing white papers
regularly on CF 2.0 (yes, they should speed up) ans I'm sure your requests for topics have been heard. However you can be assumred that it's unlikely that new features will be added in a SP. MS is trying to not do that, as it causes breaks. So cals for WSE3 will likely never be fulfiled. If you need it, you're going to have to roll it (or a substitute) yourself. -Chris [quoted text, click to view] "Tad Anderson" <TadAnderson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4316CB22-A0EC-4C19-8220-D51843417FA8@microsoft.com... > It did start with nice enquiries a little over a month ago and the only > responses I got were "Look at OpenNETCF", "Sorry we have moved on to WCF", > "We didn't have the time", "Put it in the product suggestion site", or "We > wanted to but didn't get to it". My nice enquiries didn't get me or the > other people I know who are looking for the same thing anything. So I am > trying a different route. I don't feel as if the release was given the > attention it needed because Microsoft is moving so quickly towards their > next > release. I am sure it is not the teams fault, but the people coming up > with > the timelines that forced them to take shortcuts should be made aware they > made a bad business decision, and released an unfinished product. > > "Chance Hopkins" wrote: > >> >> > The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >> > the .NET CF 2.0 release. >> >> What? >> >> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome >> wasn't built in a day. >> >> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try >> not >> to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a valued >> member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are irrational and >> over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the code sample I >> needed". >> >> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what >> you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from >> there. >> >> >>
Excellent summary on a lot of things that my "irrational and over expectant"
don't even touch on. On more thing to those that are defending the team... THEY ARE THE ONLY TEAM THAT HAS COMMENTS DISABLED ON ALL THEIR BLOGS. They all are responding with submit it to the suggestion site. In other words, "We aren't interested and are working on something else". The bottom line is they aren't done doing their job, and they need to finish it. [quoted text, click to view] "Swan B" wrote:
> Please, in all fairness .... > > I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do > agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". > > It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: > - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format > - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, with > symbols consistenly loaded to device) > - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at irregular > intervals > - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized > forms does not take like ages > - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" > - ..... > > Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick fixes > for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is more than > welcome. > > Regards, Swan B. > > > "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > > >> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish > >> the .NET CF 2.0 release. > > > > What? > > > > I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome > > wasn't built in a day. > > > > I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try > > not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a > > valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are > > irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the > > code sample I needed". > > > > Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what > > you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from > > there. > > > >
Ted,
There is a few reasonsthey refer you to suggestion site - any submition goes directly to a database, that's being used from an internal application and is available for "decision maker" level people in the team. -- Alex Yakhnin, .NET CF MVP www.intelliprog.com | www.opennetcf.org [quoted text, click to view] "Tad Anderson" wrote:
> Excellent summary on a lot of things that my "irrational and over expectant" > don't even touch on. > > On more thing to those that are defending the team... THEY ARE THE ONLY > TEAM THAT HAS COMMENTS DISABLED ON ALL THEIR BLOGS. They all are responding > with submit it to the suggestion site. In other words, "We aren't interested > and are working on something else". > > The bottom line is they aren't done doing their job, and they need to finish > it. > > "Swan B" wrote: > > > Please, in all fairness .... > > > > I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do > > agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". > > > > It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: > > - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format > > - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, with > > symbols consistenly loaded to device) > > - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at irregular > > intervals > > - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized > > forms does not take like ages > > - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" > > - ..... > > > > Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick fixes > > for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is more than > > welcome. > > > > Regards, Swan B. > > > > > > "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > > > > >> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish > > >> the .NET CF 2.0 release. > > > > > > What? > > > > > > I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome > > > wasn't built in a day. > > > > > > I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try > > > not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a > > > valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are > > > irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the > > > code sample I needed". > > > > > > Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what > > > you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from > > > there. > > > > > > >
Thanks Alen,
I have pretty much come to the conclusion that nothing will be done, and we are stuck with what we got. Tad [quoted text, click to view] "Alex Yakhnin [MVP]" wrote:
> Ted, > > There is a few reasonsthey refer you to suggestion site - any submition goes > directly to a database, that's being used from an internal application and is > available for "decision maker" level people in the team. > > -- > Alex Yakhnin, .NET CF MVP > www.intelliprog.com | www.opennetcf.org > > > "Tad Anderson" wrote: > > > Excellent summary on a lot of things that my "irrational and over expectant" > > don't even touch on. > > > > On more thing to those that are defending the team... THEY ARE THE ONLY > > TEAM THAT HAS COMMENTS DISABLED ON ALL THEIR BLOGS. They all are responding > > with submit it to the suggestion site. In other words, "We aren't interested > > and are working on something else". > > > > The bottom line is they aren't done doing their job, and they need to finish > > it. > > > > "Swan B" wrote: > > > > > Please, in all fairness .... > > > > > > I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do > > > agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". > > > > > > It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: > > > - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format > > > - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, with > > > symbols consistenly loaded to device) > > > - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at irregular > > > intervals > > > - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized > > > forms does not take like ages > > > - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" > > > - ..... > > > > > > Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick fixes > > > for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is more than > > > welcome. > > > > > > Regards, Swan B. > > > > > > > > > "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > > > > > > >> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish > > > >> the .NET CF 2.0 release. > > > > > > > > What? > > > > > > > > I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome > > > > wasn't built in a day. > > > > > > > > I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try > > > > not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a > > > > valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are > > > > irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the > > > > code sample I needed". > > > > > > > > Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what > > > > you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > >
Swan,
How much RAM do you have in your development machine? -- Ginny Caughey ..NET Compact Framework MVP [quoted text, click to view] "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... > Please, in all fairness .... > > I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do > agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". > > It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: > - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format > - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, > with symbols consistenly loaded to device) > - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at irregular > intervals > - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized > forms does not take like ages > - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" > - ..... > > Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick fixes > for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is more than > welcome. > > Regards, Swan B. > > > "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> >>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >> >> What? >> >> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome >> wasn't built in a day. >> >> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try >> not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a >> valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are >> irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the >> code sample I needed". >> >> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what >> you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from >> there. >> > >
You can make a suggestion or report a bug here:
http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/default.aspx -- Alex Yakhnin, .NET CF MVP www.intelliprog.com | www.opennetcf.org [quoted text, click to view] "Markus Humm" wrote:
> Tad Anderson schrieb: > > Thanks Alen, > > > > I have pretty much come to the conclusion that nothing will be done, and we > > are stuck with what we got. > > > > Tad > > > > "Alex Yakhnin [MVP]" wrote: > > > >> Ted, > >> > >> There is a few reasonsthey refer you to suggestion site - any submition goes > >> directly to a database, that's being used from an internal application and is > >> available for "decision maker" level people in the team. > >> > > Hello, > > could you post the URL of this site? Is it a general suggestion site? Is > it like a bug tracking system? > > Greetings > > Markus
It's both:
[http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/default.aspx] [quoted text, click to view] "Markus Humm" wrote:
> Tad Anderson schrieb: > > Thanks Alen, > > > > I have pretty much come to the conclusion that nothing will be done, and we > > are stuck with what we got. > > > > Tad > > > > "Alex Yakhnin [MVP]" wrote: > > > >> Ted, > >> > >> There is a few reasonsthey refer you to suggestion site - any submition goes > >> directly to a database, that's being used from an internal application and is > >> available for "decision maker" level people in the team. > >> > > Hello, > > could you post the URL of this site? Is it a general suggestion site? Is > it like a bug tracking system? > > Greetings > > Markus
Please, in all fairness ....
I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, with symbols consistenly loaded to device) - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at irregular intervals - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized forms does not take like ages - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" - ..... Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is more than welcome. Regards, Swan B. [quoted text, click to view] "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > >> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >> the .NET CF 2.0 release. > > What? > > I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome > wasn't built in a day. > > I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try > not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a > valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are > irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get the > code sample I needed". > > Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting what > you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate from > there. >
Swan,
I agree that your dev machine seems adequate so I'm surprised that you're finding the performance worse than VS 2003 - my experience has been the reverse. Are you debugging on the emulator or on the actual device? I find that for modern devices, debugging to a USB attached device is faster. HTH, -- Ginny Caughey ..NET Compact Framework MVP [quoted text, click to view] "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4405fae4$1@proxy.mimer.no... > Ginny, thanks for your comment. > > My development computer(hopefully reasonable satisfactory stats ?) > 1 GB RAM, 2,4Ghz Pentium Mobile, Disk 7200 rpm > > To focus the thread: > We do agree that the documentation and communication etc. could have been > better, but have any seen any statements from MS for cleaning up the > "quirks" in the IDE that effectively stops us from doing our job ? > > We are kind of "stuck in the middle", "too late" to revert the solution > back > to VS2003, but development speed in VS2005 is soo sloooow that "it hurts". > > > Regards, Swan B. > > > "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in > message news:eIHbARUPGHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> Swan, >> >> How much RAM do you have in your development machine? >> >> -- >> Ginny Caughey >> .NET Compact Framework MVP >> >> >> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>> Please, in all fairness .... >>> >>> I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do >>> agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". >>> >>> It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: >>> - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format >>> - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, >>> with symbols consistenly loaded to device) >>> - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at >>> irregular intervals >>> - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized >>> forms does not take like ages >>> - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" >>> - ..... >>> >>> Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick >>> fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is >>> more than welcome. >>> >>> Regards, Swan B. >>> >>> >>> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>>>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >>>> >>>> What? >>>> >>>> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and >>>> Rome wasn't built in a day. >>>> >>>> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try >>>> not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a >>>> valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are >>>> irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get >>>> the code sample I needed". >>>> >>>> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting >>>> what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate >>>> from there. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
By any chance, is that breakpoint in the DLL which is dynamically loaded (or
P/Invoked from managed code)? VS (and other debuggers) can only set break point if DLL has been loaded into memory. If that's not the case, it would complain what breakpoint can't be hit as no code is loaded at this location (or something like this). If that's what you see, please try setting up another break point right after DLL is loaded by your code. VS would notice code is available and activate break point in the DLL. PDBs are never deployed to the device. If VS can't find PDBs, please set up correct search path for symbols in project properties. -- Best regards, Ilya This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. *** Want to find answers instantly? Here's how... *** 1. Go to http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework?hl=en 2. Type your question in the text box near "Search this group" button. 3. Hit "Search this group" button. 4. Read answer(s). [quoted text, click to view] "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:44063ea2$1@proxy.mimer.no... > Always debugging on device. > > (that is, we debug when VS2005 allows to do so) > > We are haunted by the VS2005 IDE error: > The breakpoint will not currently be hit. No symbols have been loaded for > this document. > > First investigations seems that the IDE for some reason are not deploying > the latest .exe and .pdb to device. > Any suggestion to this one is welcome. > > > Regards, Swan B. > > "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in > message news:OpcaudXPGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> Swan, >> >> I agree that your dev machine seems adequate so I'm surprised that you're >> finding the performance worse than VS 2003 - my experience has been the >> reverse. >> >> Are you debugging on the emulator or on the actual device? I find that >> for modern devices, debugging to a USB attached device is faster. >> >> HTH, >> >> -- >> Ginny Caughey >> .NET Compact Framework MVP >> >> >> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4405fae4$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>> Ginny, thanks for your comment. >>> >>> My development computer(hopefully reasonable satisfactory stats ?) >>> 1 GB RAM, 2,4Ghz Pentium Mobile, Disk 7200 rpm >>> >>> To focus the thread: >>> We do agree that the documentation and communication etc. could have >>> been >>> better, but have any seen any statements from MS for cleaning up the >>> "quirks" in the IDE that effectively stops us from doing our job ? >>> >>> We are kind of "stuck in the middle", "too late" to revert the solution >>> back >>> to VS2003, but development speed in VS2005 is soo sloooow that "it >>> hurts". >>> >>> >>> Regards, Swan B. >>> >>> >>> "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in >>> message news:eIHbARUPGHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>> Swan, >>>> >>>> How much RAM do you have in your development machine? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ginny Caughey >>>> .NET Compact Framework MVP >>>> >>>> >>>> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>>>> Please, in all fairness .... >>>>> >>>>> I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development >>>>> do agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". >>>>> >>>>> It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: >>>>> - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 >>>>> format >>>>> - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, >>>>> with symbols consistenly loaded to device) >>>>> - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at >>>>> irregular intervals >>>>> - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium >>>>> sized forms does not take like ages >>>>> - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" >>>>> - ..... >>>>> >>>>> Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick >>>>> fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is >>>>> more than welcome. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Swan B. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>>>>>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >>>>>> >>>>>> What? >>>>>> >>>>>> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and >>>>>> Rome wasn't built in a day. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. >>>>>> Try not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end >>>>>> up a valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are >>>>>> irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get >>>>>> the code sample I needed". >>>>>> >>>>>> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting >>>>>> what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate >>>>>> from there. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
So, break point is in EXE, is that right? Is that managed or native EXE?
Could you please post deployment log? -- Best regards, Ilya This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. *** Want to find answers instantly? Here's how... *** 1. Go to http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework?hl=en 2. Type your question in the text box near "Search this group" button. 3. Hit "Search this group" button. 4. Read answer(s). [quoted text, click to view] "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4406552d$1@proxy.mimer.no... > Thank you very much for quick response. > > >>By any chance, is that breakpoint in the DLL which is dynamically loaded >>(or P/Invoked from managed code)? > > No breakpoint code in dynamic DLL in project > >> PDBs are never deployed to the device. > That is right :-) > > Assume that PDB is >>If VS can't find PDBs, please set up correct search path for symbols in >>project properties. > > Assume you mean the setup search path in Tools, Option, Debug, Symbols for > the solution > (This is set to obj/debug nad then to bin/debug ) > > > After even further investigation it seems that the newly built .exe is not > copied to the device ? > This is a mystery... > > > Regards Swan B. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Ilya >> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> >> *** Want to find answers instantly? Here's how... *** >> >> 1. Go to >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework?hl=en >> 2. Type your question in the text box near "Search this group" button. >> 3. Hit "Search this group" button. >> 4. Read answer(s). >> >> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:44063ea2$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>> Always debugging on device. >>> >>> (that is, we debug when VS2005 allows to do so) >>> >>> We are haunted by the VS2005 IDE error: >>> The breakpoint will not currently be hit. No symbols have been loaded >>> for this document. >>> >>> First investigations seems that the IDE for some reason are not >>> deploying the latest .exe and .pdb to device. >>> Any suggestion to this one is welcome. >>> >>> >>> Regards, Swan B. >>> >>> "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in >>> message news:OpcaudXPGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>>> Swan, >>>> >>>> I agree that your dev machine seems adequate so I'm surprised that >>>> you're finding the performance worse than VS 2003 - my experience has >>>> been the reverse. >>>> >>>> Are you debugging on the emulator or on the actual device? I find that >>>> for modern devices, debugging to a USB attached device is faster. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ginny Caughey >>>> .NET Compact Framework MVP >>>> >>>> >>>> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message >>>> news:4405fae4$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>>>> Ginny, thanks for your comment. >>>>> >>>>> My development computer(hopefully reasonable satisfactory stats ?) >>>>> 1 GB RAM, 2,4Ghz Pentium Mobile, Disk 7200 rpm >>>>> >>>>> To focus the thread: >>>>> We do agree that the documentation and communication etc. could have >>>>> been >>>>> better, but have any seen any statements from MS for cleaning up the >>>>> "quirks" in the IDE that effectively stops us from doing our job ? >>>>> >>>>> We are kind of "stuck in the middle", "too late" to revert the >>>>> solution back >>>>> to VS2003, but development speed in VS2005 is soo sloooow that "it >>>>> hurts". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, Swan B. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in >>>>> message news:eIHbARUPGHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Swan, >>>>>> >>>>>> How much RAM do you have in your development machine? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ginny Caughey >>>>>> .NET Compact Framework MVP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>>>>>> Please, in all fairness .... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development >>>>>>> do agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: >>>>>>> - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 >>>>>>> format >>>>>>> - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular >>>>>>> basis, with symbols consistenly loaded to device) >>>>>>> - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at >>>>>>> irregular intervals >>>>>>> - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium >>>>>>> sized forms does not take like ages >>>>>>> - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" >>>>>>> - ..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick >>>>>>> fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development >>>>>>> is more than welcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, Swan B. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>>>>>>>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and >>>>>>>> Rome wasn't built in a day. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. >>>>>>>> Try not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end >>>>>>>> up a valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog >>>>>>>> are irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I >>>>>>>> didn't get the code sample I needed". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not >>>>>>>> getting what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can >>>>>>>> communicate from there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Ginny, thanks for your comment.
My development computer(hopefully reasonable satisfactory stats ?) 1 GB RAM, 2,4Ghz Pentium Mobile, Disk 7200 rpm To focus the thread: We do agree that the documentation and communication etc. could have been better, but have any seen any statements from MS for cleaning up the "quirks" in the IDE that effectively stops us from doing our job ? We are kind of "stuck in the middle", "too late" to revert the solution back to VS2003, but development speed in VS2005 is soo sloooow that "it hurts". Regards, Swan B. [quoted text, click to view] "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in message news:eIHbARUPGHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Swan, > > How much RAM do you have in your development machine? > > -- > Ginny Caughey > .NET Compact Framework MVP > > > "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... >> Please, in all fairness .... >> >> I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do >> agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". >> >> It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: >> - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 format >> - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, >> with symbols consistenly loaded to device) >> - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at irregular >> intervals >> - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium sized >> forms does not take like ages >> - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" >> - ..... >> >> Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick >> fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is >> more than welcome. >> >> Regards, Swan B. >> >> >> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >>> >>> What? >>> >>> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and Rome >>> wasn't built in a day. >>> >>> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. Try >>> not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up a >>> valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are >>> irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get >>> the code sample I needed". >>> >>> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting >>> what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate >>> from there. >>> >> >> > >
Tad Anderson schrieb:
[quoted text, click to view] > Thanks Alen, > > I have pretty much come to the conclusion that nothing will be done, and we > are stuck with what we got. > > Tad > > "Alex Yakhnin [MVP]" wrote: > >> Ted, >> >> There is a few reasonsthey refer you to suggestion site - any submition goes >> directly to a database, that's being used from an internal application and is >> available for "decision maker" level people in the team. >> Hello, could you post the URL of this site? Is it a general suggestion site? Is it like a bug tracking system? Greetings
Thank you very much for quick response.
[quoted text, click to view] >By any chance, is that breakpoint in the DLL which is dynamically loaded >(or P/Invoked from managed code)? No breakpoint code in dynamic DLL in project [quoted text, click to view] > PDBs are never deployed to the device. That is right :-)Assume that PDB is [quoted text, click to view] >If VS can't find PDBs, please set up correct search path for symbols in >project properties. Assume you mean the setup search path in Tools, Option, Debug, Symbols for the solution (This is set to obj/debug nad then to bin/debug ) After even further investigation it seems that the newly built .exe is not copied to the device ? This is a mystery... Regards Swan B. [quoted text, click to view] > > > -- > Best regards, > > Ilya > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > rights. > > *** Want to find answers instantly? Here's how... *** > > 1. Go to > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.compactframework?hl=en > 2. Type your question in the text box near "Search this group" button. > 3. Hit "Search this group" button. > 4. Read answer(s). > > "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:44063ea2$1@proxy.mimer.no... >> Always debugging on device. >> >> (that is, we debug when VS2005 allows to do so) >> >> We are haunted by the VS2005 IDE error: >> The breakpoint will not currently be hit. No symbols have been loaded >> for this document. >> >> First investigations seems that the IDE for some reason are not deploying >> the latest .exe and .pdb to device. >> Any suggestion to this one is welcome. >> >> >> Regards, Swan B. >> >> "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in >> message news:OpcaudXPGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>> Swan, >>> >>> I agree that your dev machine seems adequate so I'm surprised that >>> you're finding the performance worse than VS 2003 - my experience has >>> been the reverse. >>> >>> Are you debugging on the emulator or on the actual device? I find that >>> for modern devices, debugging to a USB attached device is faster. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> -- >>> Ginny Caughey >>> .NET Compact Framework MVP >>> >>> >>> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message >>> news:4405fae4$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>>> Ginny, thanks for your comment. >>>> >>>> My development computer(hopefully reasonable satisfactory stats ?) >>>> 1 GB RAM, 2,4Ghz Pentium Mobile, Disk 7200 rpm >>>> >>>> To focus the thread: >>>> We do agree that the documentation and communication etc. could have >>>> been >>>> better, but have any seen any statements from MS for cleaning up the >>>> "quirks" in the IDE that effectively stops us from doing our job ? >>>> >>>> We are kind of "stuck in the middle", "too late" to revert the solution >>>> back >>>> to VS2003, but development speed in VS2005 is soo sloooow that "it >>>> hurts". >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, Swan B. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in >>>> message news:eIHbARUPGHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>>> Swan, >>>>> >>>>> How much RAM do you have in your development machine? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ginny Caughey >>>>> .NET Compact Framework MVP >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>>>>> Please, in all fairness .... >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development >>>>>> do agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: >>>>>> - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 >>>>>> format >>>>>> - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular >>>>>> basis, with symbols consistenly loaded to device) >>>>>> - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at >>>>>> irregular intervals >>>>>> - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium >>>>>> sized forms does not take like ages >>>>>> - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" >>>>>> - ..... >>>>>> >>>>>> Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick >>>>>> fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is >>>>>> more than welcome. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, Swan B. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>>>>>>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and >>>>>>> Rome wasn't built in a day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. >>>>>>> Try not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end >>>>>>> up a valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog >>>>>>> are irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I >>>>>>> didn't get the code sample I needed". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting >>>>>>> what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate >>>>>>> from there. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Hi
I got a similar system and I also experience performance problems. In some action I got to wait about three seconds till the IDE is responsible again. But when I see all the new possibilites I feel quite good with VS2005 even if there plenty of small bugs (like elements changing position in Designer by it self etc...) I hope that there will be an SP and thing are going a little better.
Always debugging on device.
(that is, we debug when VS2005 allows to do so) We are haunted by the VS2005 IDE error: The breakpoint will not currently be hit. No symbols have been loaded for this document. First investigations seems that the IDE for some reason are not deploying the latest .exe and .pdb to device. Any suggestion to this one is welcome. Regards, Swan B. [quoted text, click to view] "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in message news:OpcaudXPGHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Swan, > > I agree that your dev machine seems adequate so I'm surprised that you're > finding the performance worse than VS 2003 - my experience has been the > reverse. > > Are you debugging on the emulator or on the actual device? I find that for > modern devices, debugging to a USB attached device is faster. > > HTH, > > -- > Ginny Caughey > .NET Compact Framework MVP > > > "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:4405fae4$1@proxy.mimer.no... >> Ginny, thanks for your comment. >> >> My development computer(hopefully reasonable satisfactory stats ?) >> 1 GB RAM, 2,4Ghz Pentium Mobile, Disk 7200 rpm >> >> To focus the thread: >> We do agree that the documentation and communication etc. could have been >> better, but have any seen any statements from MS for cleaning up the >> "quirks" in the IDE that effectively stops us from doing our job ? >> >> We are kind of "stuck in the middle", "too late" to revert the solution >> back >> to VS2003, but development speed in VS2005 is soo sloooow that "it >> hurts". >> >> >> Regards, Swan B. >> >> >> "Ginny Caughey [MVP]" <ginny.caughey.online@wasteworks.com> wrote in >> message news:eIHbARUPGHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>> Swan, >>> >>> How much RAM do you have in your development machine? >>> >>> -- >>> Ginny Caughey >>> .NET Compact Framework MVP >>> >>> >>> "Swan B" <no@spam.com> wrote in message >>> news:4405b37a$1@proxy.mimer.no... >>>> Please, in all fairness .... >>>> >>>> I think that anyone using the .NET CF 2.0 for enterprise development do >>>> agree that the VS2005 release is "not the best". >>>> >>>> It is not "irrational and over expectant" to expect an IDE that: >>>> - have a conversion wizard that, well, actually convert to 2.0 >>>> format >>>> - have a debugger that, well, actually do debug(on a regular basis, >>>> with symbols consistenly loaded to device) >>>> - have the display of forms that, well, is not corrupted at >>>> irregular intervals >>>> - have a "time of display" for forms that, well, of even medium >>>> sized forms does not take like ages >>>> - have an IDE that, well, at best may be described as "sluggish" >>>> - ..... >>>> >>>> Any, (and I mean any), links or suggestion to service packs or quick >>>> fixes for IDE that may cure these or other bugs for CF development is >>>> more than welcome. >>>> >>>> Regards, Swan B. >>>> >>>> >>>> "Chance Hopkins" <chance_hopkins@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:ukABXIQPGHA.1180@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>>> The Compact Framework 2.0 team needs to finish >>>>>> the .NET CF 2.0 release. >>>>> >>>>> What? >>>>> >>>>> I bet you'll see a Service Pack for it. Nothing is ever perfect and >>>>> Rome wasn't built in a day. >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure they also would appreciate your observations if presented. >>>>> Try not to be a confrontation in the future and you'll probably end up >>>>> a valued member of the community. Your complaints on your blog are >>>>> irrational and over expectant. One of them seems to be, "I didn't get >>>>> the code sample I needed". >>>>> >>>>> Why don't you ask for help instead of being pissed about not getting >>>>> what you "expected"? That would be a good start. You can communicate >>>>> from there. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Alex Yakhnin [MVP] schrieb:
[quoted text, click to view] > You can make a suggestion or report a bug here: Isn't this URL specific to some product still in development> > http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/default.aspx > or at least specific to a small set of products? What I mean would be a general bugtracking system where you could file any bug about any MS product. This would include e.g. Office, Windows, Age of Empires, Visual Studio, every SDK... Greetings
Alex Yakhnin [MVP] schrieb:
[quoted text, click to view] > You can make a suggestion or report a bug here: > > http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/default.aspx Yes but only to a really limited subset of products as it seems! Most deal with programming in any form... Greetings
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