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We have already developed a desktop application in C# that communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard ethernet or serial cables. In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or single board computer type of hardware that can run our application and communicate with our back end servers over the network. I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really needs is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best group for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better group. Thanks to all. Yofnik
I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific
applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What is such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a handheld computer. If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, I would love to hear more info. On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT [quoted text, click to view] no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: > There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be > looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a display > on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have anything > that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic idea by > looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many vendors > of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you can't > find one with Google and some patience. > > Paul T. > > "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Hello, > > > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that > > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard ethernet > > or serial cables. > > > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full > > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or > > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application > > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. > > > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework > > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble > > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a > > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really needs > > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and > > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. > > > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best group > > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better group. > > > Thanks to all. > > > Yofnik- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your response. We don't really have any environmental requirements at this point. I am just doing some initial research on how to eliminate our need for a "full computer" when our back end servers are doing most of the work. The form factor should be small, but again - we have no hard requirements. The thing we really want to avoid is building a device ourselves. That is why we want to buy (and possibly resell) a prepackaged device. I don't want to worry about the packing, but I will if need be (any suggestions for a good source of enclosures?). I don't care if the device has keyboard and monitor ports. If it doesn't, I was hoping to find something that would support terminal services to start and stop applications. I don't know how realistic this is. We have minimal hard disk requirements. Our application just communicates with specific hardware and forwards data to a back end server. So the device will need minimal disk space for the OS, our application, and possible some log files. I checked out ICOPTech.com website and they might have something that could help. Do you have any more advice given my comments above? This is obviously something we don't have much experience with. Thanks for you patience and assistance. [quoted text, click to view] On Jan 31, 1:11 pm, "<ctacke/>" <ctacke[@]opennetcf[dot]com> wrote: > Do you have any specific environmental requirements? I mean if you're just > after some box that can run a CF app and not plug in a monitor then > something like an iCOP ebox is cheap and effective, albeit fairly slow. You > can also use a cheap mini-ATX board and run full-up XP or CE with a faster > processor. There are ARM-based devices that tend to work better in > industrial temp or vibration environments, but as Paul said, there are lots > of them out there. Do you need an enclosure, or do you have one you'll plug > into? Do you have form factor requirements? Does it need storage space? > How much? How much RAM does it need? How will you get the app onto the > device? How will you handle black outs or brown outs, and will they matter? > There are *lots* of variables to consider and what you end up with could be > as cheap as around $300 or upward of $7k or just about anything in between. > > -- > Chris Tacke > OpenNETCF Consulting > Managed Code in the Embedded Worldwww.opennetcf.com > -- > > "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:1170266197.790546.297290@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > >I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific > > applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a > > display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and > > little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What is > > such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a > > handheld computer. > > > If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, I > > would love to hear more info. > > > On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT > > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: > >> There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be > >> looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a > >> display > >> on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have anything > >> that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic idea > >> by > >> looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many vendors > >> of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you can't > >> find one with Google and some patience. > > >> Paul T. > > >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > >>news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >> > Hello, > > >> > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that > >> > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard ethernet > >> > or serial cables. > > >> > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full > >> > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or > >> > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application > >> > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. > > >> > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework > >> > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble > >> > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a > >> > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really needs > >> > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and > >> > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. > > >> > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best group > >> > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better group. > > >> > Thanks to all. > > >> > Yofnik- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be
looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a display on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have anything that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic idea by looking at www.edasce.com or www.lanpoint.com. There are many, many vendors of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you can't find one with Google and some patience. Paul T. [quoted text, click to view] "Yofnik" <yofnik@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello, > > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard ethernet > or serial cables. > > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. > > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really needs > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. > > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best group > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better group. > > Thanks to all. > > Yofnik >
Well, since you want to run .NET on it, you're immediately looking at
something significantly more than just a processor, a serial port, a USB port, and an Ethernet port. I think there's about an 80% chance that you'll have features on whatever you find that you don't need, unless you build the device yourself. I'd search on "windows ce" "usb host" "ethernet" "serial" and "C#" first. You may have to drop the C# depending on what search engine you use and how it treats that. How about one of the little ODO mini-XP machines? Or any other small form-factor PC with XP on it? Paul T. [quoted text, click to view] "Yofnik" <yofnik@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1170266197.790546.297290@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific > applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a > display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and > little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What is > such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a > handheld computer. > > If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, I > would love to hear more info. > > > > On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: >> There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be >> looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a >> display >> on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have anything >> that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic idea >> by >> looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many vendors >> of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you can't >> find one with Google and some patience. >> >> Paul T. >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that >> > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard ethernet >> > or serial cables. >> >> > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full >> > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or >> > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application >> > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. >> >> > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework >> > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble >> > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a >> > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really needs >> > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and >> > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. >> >> > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best group >> > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better group. >> >> > Thanks to all. >> >> > Yofnik- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >
Telnet is great. That is what I would prefer. What devices are you
referring to by "our devices"? Do you sell them? Regarding your second question, we don't have a need for USB at this point. I misspoke (typed) when I said that earlier. Since our application is already built for desktop PC and utilizes web services (which I don't think is supported by CE), I guess my first question should be do I really want to go the route of Windows CE? Perhaps a mini-ATX based device that can run full XP as Chris suggested in my best bet? On Jan 31, 1:56 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT [quoted text, click to view] no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: > There is no terminal services *server* in Windows CE, so I doubt that you're > going to find that feature out there. Our devices can start programs via > Telnet sessions or Web sessions with our Web server on the device and a lot > of devices will do that. There's a Telnet server available to Windows CE > OEMs that essentially brings out the MS-DOS window to a network session, so > some devices might have that, too. > > In just thinking about this, is your device a USB device? You know that > you're going to have to port a driver to Windows CE to use that, if so, > right? Any existing driver for desktop operating systems is not going to > work in CE. > > Paul T. > > "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:1170269082.534483.227360@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Hi Chris, > > Thanks for your response. > > > We don't really have any environmental requirements at this point. I > > am just doing some initial research on how to eliminate our need for a > > "full computer" when our back end servers are doing most of the work. > > The form factor should be small, but again - we have no hard > > requirements. > > > The thing we really want to avoid is building a device ourselves. That > > is why we want to buy (and possibly resell) a prepackaged device. I > > don't want to worry about the packing, but I will if need be (any > > suggestions for a good source of enclosures?). > > > I don't care if the device has keyboard and monitor ports. If it > > doesn't, I was hoping to find something that would support terminal > > services to start and stop applications. I don't know how realistic > > this is. > > > We have minimal hard disk requirements. Our application just > > communicates with specific hardware and forwards data to a back end > > server. So the device will need minimal disk space for the OS, our > > application, and possible some log files. > > > I checked out ICOPTech.com website and they might have something that > > could help. Do you have any more advice given my comments above? > > > This is obviously something we don't have much experience with. Thanks > > for you patience and assistance. > > > On Jan 31, 1:11 pm, "<ctacke/>" <ctacke[@]opennetcf[dot]com> wrote: > >> Do you have any specific environmental requirements? I mean if you're > >> just > >> after some box that can run a CF app and not plug in a monitor then > >> something like an iCOP ebox is cheap and effective, albeit fairly slow. > >> You > >> can also use a cheap mini-ATX board and run full-up XP or CE with a > >> faster > >> processor. There are ARM-based devices that tend to work better in > >> industrial temp or vibration environments, but as Paul said, there are > >> lots > >> of them out there. Do you need an enclosure, or do you have one you'll > >> plug > >> into? Do you have form factor requirements? Does it need storage space? > >> How much? How much RAM does it need? How will you get the app onto the > >> device? How will you handle black outs or brown outs, and will they > >> matter? > >> There are *lots* of variables to consider and what you end up with could > >> be > >> as cheap as around $300 or upward of $7k or just about anything in > >> between. > > >> -- > >> Chris Tacke > >> OpenNETCF Consulting > >> Managed Code in the Embedded Worldwww.opennetcf.com > >> -- > > >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > >>news:1170266197.790546.297290@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >> >I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific > >> > applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a > >> > display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and > >> > little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What is > >> > such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a > >> > handheld computer. > > >> > If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, I > >> > would love to hear more info. > > >> > On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT > >> > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: > >> >> There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be > >> >> looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a > >> >> display > >> >> on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have > >> >> anything > >> >> that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic > >> >> idea > >> >> by > >> >> looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many > >> >> vendors > >> >> of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you > >> >> can't > >> >> find one with Google and some patience. > > >> >> Paul T. > > >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message > > >> >>news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >> >> > Hello, > > >> >> > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that > >> >> > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard > >> >> > ethernet > >> >> > or serial cables. > > >> >> > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full > >> >> > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or > >> >> > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application > >> >> > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. > > >> >> > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework > >> >> > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble > >> >> > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a > >> >> > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really > >> >> > needs > >> >> > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and > >> >> > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. > > >> >> > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best > >> >> > group > >> >> > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better > >> >> > group. > > >> >> > Thanks to all. > > >> >> > Yofnik- Hide quoted text - > > >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
There is no terminal services *server* in Windows CE, so I doubt that you're
going to find that feature out there. Our devices can start programs via Telnet sessions or Web sessions with our Web server on the device and a lot of devices will do that. There's a Telnet server available to Windows CE OEMs that essentially brings out the MS-DOS window to a network session, so some devices might have that, too. In just thinking about this, is your device a USB device? You know that you're going to have to port a driver to Windows CE to use that, if so, right? Any existing driver for desktop operating systems is not going to work in CE. Paul T. [quoted text, click to view] "Yofnik" <yofnik@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1170269082.534483.227360@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > Hi Chris, > Thanks for your response. > > We don't really have any environmental requirements at this point. I > am just doing some initial research on how to eliminate our need for a > "full computer" when our back end servers are doing most of the work. > The form factor should be small, but again - we have no hard > requirements. > > The thing we really want to avoid is building a device ourselves. That > is why we want to buy (and possibly resell) a prepackaged device. I > don't want to worry about the packing, but I will if need be (any > suggestions for a good source of enclosures?). > > I don't care if the device has keyboard and monitor ports. If it > doesn't, I was hoping to find something that would support terminal > services to start and stop applications. I don't know how realistic > this is. > > We have minimal hard disk requirements. Our application just > communicates with specific hardware and forwards data to a back end > server. So the device will need minimal disk space for the OS, our > application, and possible some log files. > > I checked out ICOPTech.com website and they might have something that > could help. Do you have any more advice given my comments above? > > This is obviously something we don't have much experience with. Thanks > for you patience and assistance. > > > > On Jan 31, 1:11 pm, "<ctacke/>" <ctacke[@]opennetcf[dot]com> wrote: >> Do you have any specific environmental requirements? I mean if you're >> just >> after some box that can run a CF app and not plug in a monitor then >> something like an iCOP ebox is cheap and effective, albeit fairly slow. >> You >> can also use a cheap mini-ATX board and run full-up XP or CE with a >> faster >> processor. There are ARM-based devices that tend to work better in >> industrial temp or vibration environments, but as Paul said, there are >> lots >> of them out there. Do you need an enclosure, or do you have one you'll >> plug >> into? Do you have form factor requirements? Does it need storage space? >> How much? How much RAM does it need? How will you get the app onto the >> device? How will you handle black outs or brown outs, and will they >> matter? >> There are *lots* of variables to consider and what you end up with could >> be >> as cheap as around $300 or upward of $7k or just about anything in >> between. >> >> -- >> Chris Tacke >> OpenNETCF Consulting >> Managed Code in the Embedded Worldwww.opennetcf.com >> -- >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:1170266197.790546.297290@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> >I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific >> > applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a >> > display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and >> > little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What is >> > such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a >> > handheld computer. >> >> > If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, I >> > would love to hear more info. >> >> > On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT >> > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: >> >> There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be >> >> looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a >> >> display >> >> on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have >> >> anything >> >> that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic >> >> idea >> >> by >> >> looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many >> >> vendors >> >> of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you >> >> can't >> >> find one with Google and some patience. >> >> >> Paul T. >> >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >>news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> >> > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that >> >> > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard >> >> > ethernet >> >> > or serial cables. >> >> >> > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full >> >> > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or >> >> > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application >> >> > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. >> >> >> > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework >> >> > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble >> >> > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a >> >> > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really >> >> > needs >> >> > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and >> >> > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. >> >> >> > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best >> >> > group >> >> > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better >> >> > group. >> >> >> > Thanks to all. >> >> >> > Yofnik- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >
The ones linked from my previous message, my first in this thread.
No, no Web services support for the server in Windows CE. You can certainly *consume* Web services as a client using .NET CF, however. Best bet is pretty tenuous, without any real requirements from your end. If you want the porting process to be simple and are willing to pay for that per-unit then, yes, using a device that will just run XP is the best fit. If you need to have a lower-cost device, Windows CE will run on devices with significantly lower RAM, non-volatile storage, and processor speed specs, potentially reducing the hardware cost. You would have to port your application to .NET CF, however, so that costs you up-front. Paul T. [quoted text, click to view] "Yofnik" <yofnik@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1170271424.874734.286530@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Telnet is great. That is what I would prefer. What devices are you > referring to by "our devices"? Do you sell them? > > Regarding your second question, we don't have a need for USB at this > point. I misspoke (typed) when I said that earlier. > > Since our application is already built for desktop PC and utilizes web > services (which I don't think is supported by CE), I guess my first > question should be do I really want to go the route of Windows CE? > Perhaps a mini-ATX based device that can run full XP as Chris > suggested in my best bet? > > > On Jan 31, 1:56 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: >> There is no terminal services *server* in Windows CE, so I doubt that >> you're >> going to find that feature out there. Our devices can start programs via >> Telnet sessions or Web sessions with our Web server on the device and a >> lot >> of devices will do that. There's a Telnet server available to Windows CE >> OEMs that essentially brings out the MS-DOS window to a network session, >> so >> some devices might have that, too. >> >> In just thinking about this, is your device a USB device? You know that >> you're going to have to port a driver to Windows CE to use that, if so, >> right? Any existing driver for desktop operating systems is not going to >> work in CE. >> >> Paul T. >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:1170269082.534483.227360@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > Hi Chris, >> > Thanks for your response. >> >> > We don't really have any environmental requirements at this point. I >> > am just doing some initial research on how to eliminate our need for a >> > "full computer" when our back end servers are doing most of the work. >> > The form factor should be small, but again - we have no hard >> > requirements. >> >> > The thing we really want to avoid is building a device ourselves. That >> > is why we want to buy (and possibly resell) a prepackaged device. I >> > don't want to worry about the packing, but I will if need be (any >> > suggestions for a good source of enclosures?). >> >> > I don't care if the device has keyboard and monitor ports. If it >> > doesn't, I was hoping to find something that would support terminal >> > services to start and stop applications. I don't know how realistic >> > this is. >> >> > We have minimal hard disk requirements. Our application just >> > communicates with specific hardware and forwards data to a back end >> > server. So the device will need minimal disk space for the OS, our >> > application, and possible some log files. >> >> > I checked out ICOPTech.com website and they might have something that >> > could help. Do you have any more advice given my comments above? >> >> > This is obviously something we don't have much experience with. Thanks >> > for you patience and assistance. >> >> > On Jan 31, 1:11 pm, "<ctacke/>" <ctacke[@]opennetcf[dot]com> wrote: >> >> Do you have any specific environmental requirements? I mean if you're >> >> just >> >> after some box that can run a CF app and not plug in a monitor then >> >> something like an iCOP ebox is cheap and effective, albeit fairly >> >> slow. >> >> You >> >> can also use a cheap mini-ATX board and run full-up XP or CE with a >> >> faster >> >> processor. There are ARM-based devices that tend to work better in >> >> industrial temp or vibration environments, but as Paul said, there are >> >> lots >> >> of them out there. Do you need an enclosure, or do you have one >> >> you'll >> >> plug >> >> into? Do you have form factor requirements? Does it need storage >> >> space? >> >> How much? How much RAM does it need? How will you get the app onto >> >> the >> >> device? How will you handle black outs or brown outs, and will they >> >> matter? >> >> There are *lots* of variables to consider and what you end up with >> >> could >> >> be >> >> as cheap as around $300 or upward of $7k or just about anything in >> >> between. >> >> >> -- >> >> Chris Tacke >> >> OpenNETCF Consulting >> >> Managed Code in the Embedded Worldwww.opennetcf.com >> >> -- >> >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >>news:1170266197.790546.297290@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific >> >> > applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a >> >> > display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and >> >> > little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What >> >> > is >> >> > such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a >> >> > handheld computer. >> >> >> > If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, >> >> > I >> >> > would love to hear more info. >> >> >> > On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam >> >> > AT >> >> > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: >> >> >> There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should >> >> >> be >> >> >> looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a >> >> >> display >> >> >> on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have >> >> >> anything >> >> >> that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic >> >> >> idea >> >> >> by >> >> >> looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many >> >> >> vendors >> >> >> of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you >> >> >> can't >> >> >> find one with Google and some patience. >> >> >> >> Paul T. >> >> >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> >> >>news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> >> >> > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that >> >> >> > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard >> >> >> > ethernet >> >> >> > or serial cables. >>
Do you have any specific environmental requirements? I mean if you're just
after some box that can run a CF app and not plug in a monitor then something like an iCOP ebox is cheap and effective, albeit fairly slow. You can also use a cheap mini-ATX board and run full-up XP or CE with a faster processor. There are ARM-based devices that tend to work better in industrial temp or vibration environments, but as Paul said, there are lots of them out there. Do you need an enclosure, or do you have one you'll plug into? Do you have form factor requirements? Does it need storage space? How much? How much RAM does it need? How will you get the app onto the device? How will you handle black outs or brown outs, and will they matter? There are *lots* of variables to consider and what you end up with could be as cheap as around $300 or upward of $7k or just about anything in between. -- Chris Tacke OpenNETCF Consulting Managed Code in the Embedded World www.opennetcf.com -- [quoted text, click to view] "Yofnik" <yofnik@comcast.net> wrote in message news:1170266197.790546.297290@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I have tried a google search and found many devices for specific > applications. Many of them have more features than we want - like a > display. I want a low cost device that will run my application and > little else. Perhaps I am not searching for the right "thing". What is > such a device common referred to? Its certainly not a PDA or even a > handheld computer. > > If someone has knowledge of a specific device like I am describing, I > would love to hear more info. > > > > On Jan 31, 12:45 pm, "Paul G. Tobey [eMVP]" <p space tobey no spam AT > no instrument no spam DOT com> wrote: >> There are tons of Windows CE-based devices. That's what you should be >> looking for: Windows CE, serial, USB, and Ethernet. If you need a >> display >> on the device, you'll need to look for that, too. We don't have anything >> that matches all of those requirements, but you might get the basic idea >> by >> looking atwww.edasce.comorwww.lanpoint.com. There are many, many vendors >> of devices for various vertical markets and I'd be surprised if you can't >> find one with Google and some patience. >> >> Paul T. >> >> "Yofnik" <yof...@comcast.net> wrote in message >> >> news:1170264413.810683.216200@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> > We have already developed a desktop application in C# that >> > communicates with proprietary hardware devices over standard ethernet >> > or serial cables. >> >> > In many cases we need to deploy this application in areas where full >> > desktops are overkill. We would like some minimal "appliance" or >> > single board computer type of hardware that can run our application >> > and communicate with our back end servers over the network. >> >> > I don't mind recompiling our application for the Compact Framework >> > (and adjusting some code if need be). However, I am having trouble >> > finding the type of device we should use. Can anyone recommend a >> > hardware product that will might be useful to us? All it really needs >> > is network connectivity and standard I/O ports (serial, usb, and >> > ethernet) and the ability to run software writtenin C#. >> >> > Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. If this is not the best group >> > for this quesiton I apologize and ask for pointers to a better group. >> >> > Thanks to all. >> >> > Yofnik- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > >
Hi,
I have a(N) (incomplete, I'm sure) list of manufacturers with boards that run Windows CE on my website. Choose the PC Data Acquisition link, then select the Windows CE link. I suspect these might meet your initial needs. Dick -- Richard Grier, MVP Hard & Software Author of Visual Basic Programmer's Guide to Serial Communications, Fourth Edition, ISBN 1-890422-28-2 (391 pages, includes CD-ROM). July 2004, Revised March 2006. See www.hardandsoftware.net for details and contact information.
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