MO-NO ! MO-NO ! MO-NO ! -- dotnet general

Tom Shelton
10/10/2003 6:08:42 PM

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I haven't played with the data access stuff, but I thought Mono had
implmented System.Data. In fact, I thought they had implemented
more native data providers then .NET has...

Mr. Smith
10/23/2003 7:44:15 AM

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Lambs to the slaughter. MS will eat you.

23/10/03 - 5:43PM from www.seek.com.au Australias formost job website.

Search criteria:
States 'All'
Jobtype 'Fulltime'
Industry 'IT/Communictations'
Sector 'Any'

Using Keyword(s) "mono"

Results in 0 jobs

Where will you be tomorrow Bailo? I'll throw you some change.

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Jeff Relf
10/23/2003 2:27:35 PM

Hi Urine Vendor ,
You offer your wares :
" Do You Need Any Urine Today ? "

From Ananov.COM , Leeds U.K. , September 2001
_ http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_389070.html

" Hindu nationalists in India
have launched a marketing exercise
to promote cow's urine as a health cure .

They say the urine , being sold for 30p a bottle ,
can be used for ailments ranging
from liver disease to obesity and even cancer .

The urine is being sold under the label ' Gift of the Cow ',
and is being enthusiastically promoted
by the government of Gujarat .

The urine is collected every day
from almost 600 shelters for rescued and wounded cattle ,
and is available in about 50 centres in Gujarat .

It also comes in tablets or a cream
mixed with other traditional medicinal herbs
and demand is currently outstripping supply .

Dr Jadi Patel , at the VHP's headquarters in Ahmedabad ,
said : ' It's very popular because
the results are very good , but we've got a shortage . '

The healing properties of cow dung and cow's urine
are mentioned in ancient Hindu texts
and authorities claim research conducted by doctors
at the cow-protection commission indicates
the urine can cure anything from skin diseases ,
kidney and liver ailments to obesity and heart ailments .

Although most Indian doctors view the medicines as eccentric ,
several advocates of the treatment have come forward
in Gujarat to support the claims ,
reports the Daily Telegraph .

They include Vidhyaben Mehta ,
a 65-year-old woman with a cancerous tumour on her chest
who has been taking cow's urine for the past three years .

She says she is no longer in pain
and has survived in spite of medical predictions

Urine Vendor
10/23/2003 2:43:50 PM

Good Morning, Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:44:15 +0000, Do You Need Any Urine
Today?

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Nothin' beats a good shepards pie with kidney.

More urine for ye, sir?

Jeff Relf
10/23/2003 9:41:14 PM

Hi Mr. Smith ,
You say :
" I wouldn't give you the steam off my piss . "

I was once with a pretty young thing
who claimed she could ejaculate . Sizzle .

john bailo
10/23/2003 10:54:39 PM

Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:27:35 -0700, Jeff Relf,
<1lvoj6q2kkfw$.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>

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what a pisser.

Jeff Relf
10/24/2003 1:19:27 AM

Hi Mr. Smith ,
You mention :
" a very beautiful yet rather domineering Croat "

Mr. Smith
10/24/2003 4:11:22 AM

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I wouldn't give you the steam off my piss.

jbailo
10/24/2003 4:42:16 AM

-> Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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you can't compile my code.

you are a phoney

Mr. Smith
10/24/2003 6:25:20 AM

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I was once with a very beautiful yet rather domineering Croat who had me lie
under a glass top table while she dumped a steamer bean on it.

I never saw her again but the story still entertains my friends to this day.
It will be told at my 50th.

Köhlmann
10/24/2003 10:21:55 AM

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Since when is Croatia "eastern europe"?
--
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend: and inside a dog,
it's too dark to read." -- Groucho Marx

jbailo
10/24/2003 11:46:36 AM

-> Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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I think he misspelled it.

He meant 'goat' not 'croat'.

Jeff Relf
10/24/2003 8:04:44 PM

Hi Peter Köhlmann ,
You say :
" Since when is Croatia ' eastern europe ' ? "

You're right , I guess that's southern Europe .

Jeff Relf
10/24/2003 8:22:49 PM

Hi BJ ,
You say : " Compile the code , troll . "

John , How many times do I have to tell you ?

No . No. and No !

Jeff Relf
10/24/2003 9:01:37 PM

Hi B.J. ,
You say : " Compile the code . "

I say : " Never ! "

John , My sister says she's only paying 35 dollars
for Verizon DSL . ( I don't know the speed . )

Are you still paying 50 dollars per month for Earthlink ?

If so , Is that the best deal ?

You said that you also paid another 50 per month ,
What is that for ? A better ISP ?

msnews.microsoft.com
10/24/2003 11:05:43 PM

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Not likely. There are two types of techies like there are two types of
politicians. It is perhaps this binary relationship in human thinking that
makes the computer field so appealing to us. The MS camp will be around, so
will the *NIX camp. It will take a new revolution in computing to change
this balance.

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You miss the entire point of mono and .NET as well.

As for the rest of the posts below this, what garbage.

Jeff Relf
10/25/2003 12:40:51 AM

Hi B.J. ,
You do a good job of explaining mono and .NET's objectives :
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You're catching on ! Well done .

But I still use macros occasionally . ( Key recorders . )

And there's no harm in writing a script or two .
( For something like Excel or a web page . )

But for major endeavors ,

Jeff Relf
10/25/2003 1:21:15 AM

Hi msnews.microsoft.com ,
You say :
" The MS camp will be around ,
so will the *NIX camp .
It will take a new revolution in computing
to change this balance . "

The G5 ( Mac ) has the fastest RAM on the market .

Two one gigahertz 64 bit front-side buses to the two CPUs .

Jeff Relf
10/25/2003 1:25:31 AM

Hi Peter Köhlmann ,
You say :
" Get some education , just a little , will you ? "

Why should I become an expert on Croatia ?

I live in Seattle Washington , U.S. of A. .

jbailo
10/25/2003 3:02:16 AM

-> Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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compile the code, troll

then speak

--
There are Ogg Vorbis streams @
Virgin Radio
http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/index.html

jbailo
10/25/2003 3:30:19 AM

-> Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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compile the code.

then speak.

troll.

--
There are Ogg Vorbis streams @
Virgin Radio
http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/index.html

jbailo
10/25/2003 4:22:16 AM

-> Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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Compile the revised code, Troll.

Compile the revised code.

// yoU.c

#include <gtk/gtk.h>

static gint delete_event_cb(GtkWidget* w, GdkEventAny* e, gpointer data);
static void button_click_cb(GtkWidget* w, gpointer data);

int
main(int argc, char* argv[])
{
GtkWidget* window;
GtkWidget* button;
GtkWidget* label;

gtk_init(&argc, &argv);

window = gtk_window_new(GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL);

button = gtk_button_new();

label = gtk_label_new("\nWhen\nIn The\nCourse of\nHuman Events\n");

gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(button), label);
gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(window), button);

gtk_window_set_title(GTK_WINDOW(window), "tihsmud");
gtk_container_set_border_width(GTK_CONTAINER(button), 10);

gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(window),
"delete_event",
GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(delete_event_cb),
NULL);

gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(button),
"clicked",
GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(button_click_cb),
label);

gtk_widget_show_all(window);

gtk_main();

return 0;
}

static gint
delete_event_cb(GtkWidget* window, GdkEventAny* e, gpointer data)
{
gtk_main_quit();
return FALSE;
}

static void
button_click_cb(GtkWidget* w, gpointer data)
{
GtkWidget* label;
gchar* text;
gchar* tmp;

label = GTK_WIDGET(data);

gtk_label_get(GTK_LABEL(label), &text);

tmp = g_strdup(text);

g_strreverse(tmp);

gtk_label_set_text(GTK_LABEL(label), tmp);

g_free(tmp);
}

--
There are Ogg Vorbis streams @
Virgin Radio
http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/index.html

jbailo
10/25/2003 6:07:47 AM

-> "msnews.microsoft.com" <nospam@nospam.net>

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point of mono and .NET:

create yet another layer to try
and lock in customers with unnecessary
'layers'.

create something that could be just
as easily done in g++

fool people into thinking that less
functionality ( pointers ) equals
'easy of use'

scope inherentence down so far that
it becomes useless, because .NET
programmers are too stupid to understand it.

add a lot of 'configuration tools', use
DLLs a lot, push versioning into
'config' files and then make up
marketing claims about liberating us
from 'dll hell' -- when it still
exists.

create a poorly documenented and little
understood application framework -- to
fool people into thinking it's anything
more than a rehash of Visual Basic 6 --
i.e. a fool's paradise for people who
can't program live applications.

create a draw to siphon off creative
talent that might challenge the m$ office
franchise with better written applications

and so on,
and so on,
....

--
There are Ogg Vorbis streams @
Virgin Radio
http://www.virginradio.co.uk/thestation/listen/index.html

Tom Shelton
10/25/2003 6:33:40 AM

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Or maybe to help programmers get their work done.

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Did you see the C# version of your little open source challenge...
Seemed a lot easier to me... And there is no doubt that for many
applications, languages such as C# and Java trounce C/C++ for
productivity.

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C# has pointers. Didn't read about the "unsafe" keyword?

public class UsingAPtr
{

unsafe public static void Main()
{
int i = 5;
SquareIt(&i);
Console.WriteLine(i);
}

unsafe private static void SquareIt(int* x)
{
*x *= *x;
}
}

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If your refering to MI - look at Eiffel .NET. That said - who cares.
MI is a hassle and often leads to trouble anyway. There is almost
always a better way to accomplish what you want to do.

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How does it exist? Side-by-Side exection my friend... In fact, I have
a Windows Service that I compiled on the 1.1 framework - but running on
a 2K box that only has the 1.0 framework. Works like a champ.

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What the? Poorly documented? I've never had a problem finding what I
needed.

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blah, blah

Köhlmann
10/25/2003 9:40:19 AM

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You are still wrong. It once was communist, but that does not mean "eastern
block". Yugoslavia was proud of not belonging to any of those "blocks".
That you don't know anything about history is sad, but true
Get some education, just a little, will you?
--
Only two things are infinite,
the Universe and Stupidity.
And I'm not quite sure about the former.

Köhlmann
10/25/2003 10:28:23 AM

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What exactly would be "revolutionary" about that?

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You're just not accustomed to "thinking"
--
FLASH! Intelligence of mankind decreasing. Details at ... uh, when
the little hand is on the ....

Köhlmann
10/25/2003 10:52:02 AM

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Well, only fools like you would flaunt their basic ignorance like that

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Then just avoid making any comments about things you don't know about.
In other words, quit posting on usenet
--
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.

Rick
10/25/2003 12:59:35 PM

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The core of MacOS X is Darwin... essentially a BSD distro. Put Quartz,
Aqua, iAppa and a few other things on top, and you have MacOS X.
--
Rick

Jeff Relf
10/25/2003 8:57:29 PM

Hi Rick ,
You say :
" Put Quartz , Aqua , iAppa
and a few other things on top ,
and you have MacOS X . "

Jeff Relf
10/25/2003 10:05:15 PM

Hi Rick ,
You say :
" Darwin is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS . "

I was talking about Mac OSX compatibility ,
Not Unix compatibility ... Jesus .

Rick
10/26/2003 4:05:47 AM

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I see you snipped context and you don't know how to write a sentence.
How compatible is what? How much does what cost?

Darwin is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS. It costs $0.00
Darwin/X11 is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS. It costs $0.00.
MacOS X/X11 is as compatible as any other BSD-based OS, plus it runs Aqua
apps. It costs $129.

--
Rick

God
10/26/2003 4:15:21 PM

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He's busy at the moment. Can I help?

--
I am The Great I Am.

DM McGowan II
10/27/2003 11:51:48 PM

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Hehe, I had to re-build my system do to a rare disk sector problem and set
the display name wrong in haste.

Mac? MAC??!!?? The Mac is hardly a new revolution though the cutesy colors
were a nifty idea I guess?

Jeff Relf
10/28/2003 6:13:26 PM

Hi Spooky Ghost ,
You say : " And I'll tell him * how * ... :-) "

Tell me how ? I already knew how to do it .

But _ Ten _ times I said that I would _ Not _ compile it .

Because the code is too stupid ,
I don't compile worthless code .

wah
10/28/2003 11:25:35 PM

bah.

dropped seattle.general from the reply, since it's hardly relevant beyond
jeff ralph's idiosyncrasies and demons. good luck,
comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.dotnet.general.

leave seattle.general out of it, jeff-fuckwit-relf.

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The Ghost In The Machine
10/29/2003 1:00:12 AM

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, jbailo
<jabailo@earthlink.net>
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on Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:22:16 GMT
<f1ef1efb6127618abecc77f9d01d9acb@news.teranews.com>:
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[function snipped for brevity]

And I'll tell him *how*... :-)

$ gcc `gtk-config --cflags` yoU.c `gtk-config --libs` -o yoU
$ ./yoU
$

Now, did I miss anything? :-)

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net

cable speed test
10/29/2003 10:42:27 PM

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:g6o571-al8.ln1@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.athghost7038suus.net>
Newsgroups:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,microsoft.public.dotnet.general,seattle.general
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: . Worthless Code .

Actually, I hate worthless power companies more that worthless code...

I have to work all night on my lap top due to the power going off every 20
minutes or so.

Or going on and off every three minutes...

What's so hard about placing the lines far enough apart to live through a
wind storm ?

Do they have any idea what the Boomtown Rats sound like through 1 inch
speakers ?

Damn, the flash light is fading... time for the Coleman...

..

The Ghost In The Machine
10/30/2003 12:59:59 AM

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff Relf
<__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>
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on Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:13:26 -0800
<8cx5djbuq6jy.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>:
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Define "worthwhile code", then. I could cobble up something
using Glade, for example, and substitute it for jbailo's
admittedly rather silly example. :-)

For example, I could compute pi to 10,000 places for some reason.
Or simulate a daisy-cutter dropping on Saddam's head. (Of course
the main drawback with the latter is that I can't draw, period,
so it would have to be a very *abstract* representation of
Saddam's head... :-) )

I'll admit I do think the Java variant is simpler but
both are interesting. (I don't know how to set up
Winforms/Webforms.)

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net

Tom Shelton
10/30/2003 6:49:13 AM

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I missed the Java variant... Out of curiosity, could you point me to
it. But did you see my C# version? I know you had expressed an interest
in seeing one or at least the compile :)

jbailo
10/30/2003 3:17:07 PM

poster->Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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Jeff was once a young programmer.
He'd stay up late nights, linking, compiling.
But now, give him a simple piece of code,
and he can't do it.

The first time her told her 'Honey, this has
never happened before, you know how I always
link.'

Jeff, it's over, your linker is limp, your
compiler is pooped, probably the only thing
that gives you pleasure is your debugger...

Jeff Relf
10/30/2003 7:44:51 PM

Hi Jay Bailo ,
You say : " Jeff , it's over , your linker is limp "

Oh no ... Not my linker ! ... How will I dink her ?

You say :
" Your compiler is pooped,
probably the only thing that gives you pleasure
is your debugger . "

Thou shalt not bugger thy neighbor .
( Actually the U.S. supreme court recently legalized that )

I recall they days when I used to bugger my girl friends . :D
( Sometimes I'd alternate between the two " Ports " too ,
I never used condoms . )

I break into a song :
_ Those Were the Days _ , _ All in the Family _ Theme .
( As sung by Archie And Edith Bunker . )
from news:367338B1.EA9B67E8@tiac.net

Boy , the way Glenn Miller played !
Songs that made the Hit Parade .
Guys like us ... we had it made .
Those were the days !

And you knew where you were then .
Girls were girls ... and men were men .
Mister , we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again .

Didn't need no welfare state .
Everybody pulled his weight .
Gee , our old LaSalle ran great .

Jeff Relf
10/30/2003 7:53:24 PM

Hi Spooky Ghost ,
Are you going to be out haunting tomorrow ? ( Halloween )

You say :
" For example ,
I could compute pi to 10,000 places for some reason . "

Yuck ! That's just a bad as reversing a string .

You say :
" Or simulate a daisy-cutter dropping on Saddam's head . "

Hmmm ... That sounds interesting .

Could you make it John Baiiiilo's head instead ?

Jeff Relf
10/30/2003 9:58:40 PM

Hi J. Ba Ba Bailo ,
You say :
" well -- I guess in the looney bin all is possible ... "

Jeff Relf
10/30/2003 10:01:58 PM

Hi B. Bailo ,
You say :
" Or sorry , I didn't mean to say the word ' hard '
around you -- with your * condition * and all . "

What " Condition " ?

jbailo
10/31/2003 5:30:45 AM

poster->Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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If you can't do the easy stuff...

how can you do the hard stuff

( or sorry, I didn't mean to say
the word 'hard' around you -- with
your *condition* and all )...

jbailo
10/31/2003 5:32:00 AM

poster->Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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Does inflatable plastic constitute a 'girlfriend' ?

Just hope to God you cleaned it
when you were done...

well -- i guess in the looney bin
all is possible...

jbailo
10/31/2003 6:04:42 AM

poster->Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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speaking of Kinks (and the new Bowie re-mix):

Dirty old river, must you keep rolling
Flowing into the night
People so busy, makes me feel dizzy
Taxi light shines so bright
But I don't need no friends
As long as I gaze on waterloo sunset
I am in paradise....

Every day, I look at the world from my window
But chilly, chilly is the evening time
Waterloo sunset's fine

Terry meets julie, waterloo station
Every friday night
But I am so lazy, don't want to wander
I stay at home at night
But I don't feel afraid
As long as I gaze on waterloo sunset
I am in paradise

Every day I look at the world from my window
But chilly, chilly is the evening time
Waterloo sunset's fine

Millions of people swarming like flies
'round waterloo underground
But terry and julie cross over the river
Where they feel safe and sound
And they don't need no friends
As long as they gaze on
waterloo sunset
They are in paradise

Waterloo sunset's fine.

jbailo
10/31/2003 6:08:40 AM

poster->Jeff Relf <__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>

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Can you grab a clue

GIVE IT UP !!!

NOBODY'S BUYING IT RELF

IF YOU CAN'T COMPILE A SIMPLE G++ PROGRAM

THEN YOU AIN'T GOT THE MOJO ANY MORE !!!!!

Jeff Relf
10/31/2003 9:04:20 PM

Hi Spooky Ghost ,
You ask : " How about Osama ? :-) "

Ok . How much of the code do you have now ?

The Ghost In The Machine
11/1/2003 4:59:56 AM

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff Relf
<__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>
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on Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:53:24 -0800
<1ical1qy5dm80.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>:
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Wasn't planning to. :-)

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So suggest something more useful. :-) I've got snippets
of this that and the other, and could cobble up
idiotic things in a pinch using Glade. Mind you,
putting intelligence into them might be the
tough part.

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Sicko. :-P But I could compromise: how about Osama? :-)
Instead of a moustache I could draw a turban and beard...

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net -- and with OpenGL it might even shade properly

The Ghost In The Machine
11/3/2003 7:26:45 PM

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jeff Relf
<__.Jeff-Relf@NCPlus.NET>
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on Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:04:20 -0800
<au5l73wg7mx1$.dlg@__.Jeff.Relf>:
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Not a heck of a lot. I'd have to figure out how to animate using
GTK, and then figure out the interface. It wouldn't be a difficult
interface: "Press Button To Drop Bomb On Osama Bin Laden". :-)
jbailo's done most of the work for me, in fact.

(I'd use xfig to draw Osama, and then do something intelligent
with the coordinates. Or I could nab the data from XEarth (which
somewhere has to have a 3-D representation of the continents)
and try something with that. I am not an expert graphics
artist. :-) )

Ideally, I'd be able to cross-compile it using Mingw32 so that
I'd have both Linux and Windows executables.

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I would surmise GTK is Gnu-based.

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#191, ewill3@earthlink.net

dotnet general : MO-NO ! MO-NO ! MO-NO !