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I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies
using Google's search facility and posted them to the microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in number of occurrences of each file extension: FileExt Occurrences ==================== ..PHP 324M ..ASP 243M ..CGI 171M ..JSP 38M ..ASPX 23M Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it appears that ASP.NET is a failure. ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger usage than ASP.NET. Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or
This isn't necessarily a good metric. All this is doing is measuring pages
that contain the file extensoins. Keep in mind, that with ASP.Net and similar technologies such as JSP, you can have one page that does the same work as 10. Let's take a web site designed using the DotNetNuke portal. You may have hundreds upon hundreds of links inside a site, but most of them will be just a couple of pages. ASP.Net and JSP offer much different ways of creating interactive forms and pages than any of the other technologies. What may be one form in ASP.Net could very well be 5 or more pages in ASP as ASP developers often chain together forms, such as a questionairre. Better to use the metrics provided by the companies that research web development trends. Netcraft is almost the defacto standard when it comes to who is using what and where. Check out: http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_java_servlets.html for a recent article. Hope this helps, Mark Fitzpatrick Microsoft MVP - FrontPage [quoted text, click to view] "dotnetforfood" <dotnetforfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:64e12d46.0405291529.dcd49dc@posting.google.com... > I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies > using Google's search facility and posted them to the > microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in > number of occurrences of each file extension: > > FileExt Occurrences > ==================== > .PHP 324M > .ASP 243M > .CGI 171M > .JSP 38M > .ASPX 23M > > Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it > appears that ASP.NET is a failure. > > ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second > place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger > usage than ASP.NET. > > Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or > abandonment, since this is also occurring)?
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>> Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it >> appears that ASP.NET is a failure. it's amazing how someone can look at one google query and conclude market failure of an entire technology. absolutely amazing. you ought to be nominated for some sort of award. -- Regards, Alvin Bruney [ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx] Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Fitzpatrick" <markfitz@fitzme.com> wrote in message news:eAv1v9dREHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > This isn't necessarily a good metric. All this is doing is measuring pages > that contain the file extensoins. Keep in mind, that with ASP.Net and > similar technologies such as JSP, you can have one page that does the same > work as 10. Let's take a web site designed using the DotNetNuke portal. > You > may have hundreds upon hundreds of links inside a site, but most of them > will be just a couple of pages. ASP.Net and JSP offer much different ways > of > creating interactive forms and pages than any of the other technologies. > What may be one form in ASP.Net could very well be 5 or more pages in ASP > as > ASP developers often chain together forms, such as a questionairre. > > Better to use the metrics provided by the companies that research web > development trends. Netcraft is almost the defacto standard when it comes > to > who is using what and where. Check out: > http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_java_servlets.html > for a recent article. > > Hope this helps, > Mark Fitzpatrick > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > > "dotnetforfood" <dotnetforfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:64e12d46.0405291529.dcd49dc@posting.google.com... >> I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies >> using Google's search facility and posted them to the >> microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in >> number of occurrences of each file extension: >> >> FileExt Occurrences >> ==================== >> .PHP 324M >> .ASP 243M >> .CGI 171M >> .JSP 38M >> .ASPX 23M >> >> Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it >> appears that ASP.NET is a failure. >> >> ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second >> place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger >> usage than ASP.NET. >> >> Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or >> abandonment, since this is also occurring)? > >
Even if you could assume some validity to your data, it would be more
relevant to analyze acceleration or a trending curve rather than usage. Stats like this are what made one of our more famous Presidents remark, "there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics". [quoted text, click to view] "dotnetforfood" <dotnetforfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:64e12d46.0405291529.dcd49dc@posting.google.com... > I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies > using Google's search facility and posted them to the > microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in > number of occurrences of each file extension: > > FileExt Occurrences > ==================== > .PHP 324M > .ASP 243M > .CGI 171M > .JSP 38M > .ASPX 23M > > Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it > appears that ASP.NET is a failure. > > ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second > place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger > usage than ASP.NET. > > Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or > abandonment, since this is also occurring)?
Wow , that's really enlightening. there are sooo many holes in this logic I
can't believe I'm responding to it. 1) There are 736 million HTML pages, that's quite a bit more than PHP. So I guess by your standard, Dynamic content generation is a total failure. 2) Quantity isn't everything. ASP.NET generates dynamic content... maybe, just maybe, people do more with less when using ASP.NET? Or, if you click through a few of those, you'll realize how many of them are discussons of PHP. If you read #2, it shouldn't be surprising why there might be more discussion on the subject. And there are a lot of those hits that don't have ANYTHING to do with technology or what's being used to generate the content. PHP and ASP are acronyms for a lot of stuff.... 3) ASP.NET was officially released in March of 2002 if I remember correctly. Even if you want to include beta, it hasn't been out nearly as long as the others. Think about AOL though. Used to have the most intense market penetration. That's been dwindling to say the least. You could look at any competitor after they first came out, and draw the same conclusion 4) Even if those numbers meant anything, in terms of real adoption and you want to ignore the impact of #2, then why does More mean much in the context you are mentioning it? How many of those users are recreational users vs. real web sites. There used to be a lot, and I mean a lot, of web pages with the Blink Tag. So what do sheer numbers mean? 5) By those numbers, considering Windows has far more installs than Linux, would you call Linux a total failure? It would be very silly to. 6) Look at the numbers for Macromedia's Flash. Would you call it a marketing failure too? there sure are a lot of programmers making boatloads of cash working with this 'failed' technology... maybe they need to learn how smart people query google and see the light? -- W.G. Ryan MVP Windows - Embedded http://forums.devbuzz.com http://www.knowdotnet.com/dataaccess.html http://www.msmvps.com/williamryan/ [quoted text, click to view] "dotnetforfood" <dotnetforfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:64e12d46.0405291529.dcd49dc@posting.google.com... > I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies > using Google's search facility and posted them to the > microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in > number of occurrences of each file extension: > > FileExt Occurrences > ==================== > .PHP 324M > .ASP 243M > .CGI 171M > .JSP 38M > .ASPX 23M > > Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it > appears that ASP.NET is a failure. > > ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second > place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger > usage than ASP.NET. > > Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or > abandonment, since this is also occurring)?
The numbers do not mean anything to me. I started out six years ago
developing in PHP, then five years ago I moved to ASP since it was cleaner to work with in my opinion and had decent session tracking (which PHP lacked). Then when ASP.NET/C# first came out, I was instantly sold on it. I hate to touch PHP or ASP anymore, I have been completely spoiled by the wonderful world of ASP.NET/C#. And was with version 1, just wait until version 2.0 :) So, for me (a software developer for over 20 years), I went in just the reverse order they have listed. All my sites I put together now are only ASP.NET! And on top of that, every developer I know that was doing asp work is now moving to ASP.NET. -- Rocky Moore www.HintsAndTips.com - ~ Developer Tips Welcome ~ www.RJSoft.com/Products/RJContentPanel/ - Free web user content control! [quoted text, click to view] "dotnetforfood" <dotnetforfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:64e12d46.0405291529.dcd49dc@posting.google.com... > I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies > using Google's search facility and posted them to the > microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in > number of occurrences of each file extension: > > FileExt Occurrences > ==================== > .PHP 324M > .ASP 243M > .CGI 171M > .JSP 38M > .ASPX 23M > > Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it > appears that ASP.NET is a failure. > > ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second > place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger > usage than ASP.NET. > > Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or > abandonment, since this is also occurring)?
Hi,
Are you sure all HTML frame hidden asp.net sides are counted as well? As well as all top HTML page sites which hide the aspx sites. Cor
Another example of the failure of the public school system.
-- <%= Clinton Gallagher A/E/C Consulting, Web Design, e-Commerce Software Development Wauwatosa, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin USA URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/ [quoted text, click to view] "Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message news:eTihJCeREHA.3748@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > >> Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it > >> appears that ASP.NET is a failure. > > it's amazing how someone can look at one google query and conclude market > failure of an entire technology. absolutely amazing. you ought to be > nominated for some sort of award. > > -- > Regards, > Alvin Bruney > [ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx] > Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok > "Mark Fitzpatrick" <markfitz@fitzme.com> wrote in message > news:eAv1v9dREHA.3052@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > This isn't necessarily a good metric. All this is doing is measuring pages > > that contain the file extensoins. Keep in mind, that with ASP.Net and > > similar technologies such as JSP, you can have one page that does the same > > work as 10. Let's take a web site designed using the DotNetNuke portal. > > You > > may have hundreds upon hundreds of links inside a site, but most of them > > will be just a couple of pages. ASP.Net and JSP offer much different ways > > of > > creating interactive forms and pages than any of the other technologies. > > What may be one form in ASP.Net could very well be 5 or more pages in ASP > > as > > ASP developers often chain together forms, such as a questionairre. > > > > Better to use the metrics provided by the companies that research web > > development trends. Netcraft is almost the defacto standard when it comes > > to > > who is using what and where. Check out: > > http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/03/23/aspnet_overtakes_jsp_and_java_servlets.html > > for a recent article. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Mark Fitzpatrick > > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > > > > "dotnetforfood" <dotnetforfood@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:64e12d46.0405291529.dcd49dc@posting.google.com... > >> I surveyed market penetration of various server-side technologies > >> using Google's search facility and posted them to the > >> microsoft.public.inetserver.asp.general newsgroup. Results are in > >> number of occurrences of each file extension: > >> > >> FileExt Occurrences > >> ==================== > >> .PHP 324M > >> .ASP 243M > >> .CGI 171M > >> .JSP 38M > >> .ASPX 23M > >> > >> Despite years of marketing and attempts to convert programmers, it > >> appears that ASP.NET is a failure. > >> > >> ASP in contrast remains vibrantly present, solidly ensconced in second > >> place behind PHP. After many years, ASP has more than 10 times larger > >> usage than ASP.NET. > >> > >> Any other surveys available that show ASP.NET adoption (or > >> abandonment, since this is also occurring)? > > > > > >
Let alone the rest. Comparing ASP & ASP.NET, I would choose ASP.NET to get my website up and running in less time & spend the rest of the time if need be in Promoting it
Secondly you have not taken into account Intranet sites. We have a huge array of applicationts running most of which are web based using ASP + Oracle + SQL Server and we are in the process of moving all this to .NET. Thanks to MS. It's now a breeze. You name it, you can use it Almost half of the programmers are using VB. IF they know VB, I assume that they would have also developed/would move to ASP/ASP.NET in the near future Specifically if you take my case, I have worked on several failing Web Servers. With .NET & IIS 6.0, I am having less of these issues and concentrating more on what my company would benefit from But not everyone likes to eat the samething erveyday. If you have not tried this, you should. This is not to flame you Regards
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