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I'm looking for advice here, and I would really appreciate it if you could help. Is there a VB 2005 book that you like and would recommend (and why)? Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, intermediate, or advanced level? thanks. -- http://www.douglassdavis.com
It depends on how you define "beginner". Beginner to VB completely?
Or knows VB6 or another language and is trying to learn the 2005 version? I read that book by Mr. Balena. I really, really liked it. I wouldn't say it was for people who are completely new to VB. I knew VB6 and read it, and understood it pretty well. I think it would be good for intermediate/advanced people, too. I also read "Standard Practices and Procedures" by Balena (which has examples in both VB and C#) and really liked that one as well. That's more an intermediate/advanced book, discussing performance and best practices and explaining why. It's also VB/C#2003, not 2005, but most of the info still applies. I didn't agree with everything in the book though (he's sticking with Hungarian notation, or at least, was when he wrote the book). For beginners to both VB and to VB2005, I recommend Tim Patrick's "Start-to-Finish VB2005". It's also good for intermediate; it covers a lot of topics, and you end up building an entire application, so you can see how all of the components work together. Another of my favorite books is Brian Noyes's Data Binding book. It has a lot of great information in it. It's definitely an intermediate/ advanced book. It's in C#, but the download code is both VB and C#. For data, I like "ADO.Net The Core Reference" by David Sceppa. I think it's for any level. It's mostly data access stuff. There's *some* stuff about data binding, but winforms is not the focus of the book. It also focuses on SQLServer data access, not so much Access or Oracle. I didn't like the Microsoft Step-By-Step beginner's book. It has some stuff in it that I know isn't the recommended way of doing things, and it bugged me. I got the feeling it was written before VB2005 was finalized. It was for the true beginner. I read the Thearon Willis & Bryan Newsome book, "Beginning VB.Net". I think it was also written before VB2005 was finalized. It had a number of bugs. It was a good basic book, though, for any kind of beginner. My very favorite was "Doing Objects in VB2005" by Deborah Kurata. It explained the n-layer model and OOP, along with a bunch of Visual Studio tricks and tips, but it won't be published until March 2007. You could use it if you were new to VB2005, but not if you were new to VB -- it's not *that* kind of book. That's my 10 cents' worth. (Inflation.) Robin S. ------------------------------------------- [quoted text, click to view] "vbnetdev" <admin@kjmsolutions.com> wrote in message news:OKe6xkYJHHA.5104@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > My apologies of course. I started with Balena's books but I had a > background in vba. So I would say you should have some coding > background. > > > "Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:ODPOTgYJHHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Kelly, >> >> You did not answer the question >> >>>> Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, >>>> intermediate, >>>> or advanced level? >>>> >> >> I have the opinion that about books the starting level is very >> important. The OP did not write that, therefore is in my opinion no >> answer possible otherwise than that everybody tells his own level, >> which is in my opinion to much asked because the OP can tell it >> himself. >> >> This message as well more in general for those who ask advices about >> books and things like that. >> >> As forever, just my opinion of course.. >> >> Cor >> >> >> "vbnetdev" <admin@kjmsolutions.com> schreef in bericht >> news:eOaBsLYJHHA.2056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> Programming Microsoft Visual Basic 2005: The Language by Francesco >>> Balena >>> >>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735621837/ref=pd_cp_b_title/105-2966888-9022846 >>> >>> >>> "www.douglassdavis.com" <douglass_davis@earthlink.net> wrote in >>> message >>> news:1166756277.971171.290280@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> I'm looking for advice here, and I would really appreciate it if >>>> you >>>> could help. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is there a VB 2005 book that you like and would recommend (and >>>> why)? >>>> >>>> Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, >>>> intermediate, >>>> or advanced level? >>>> >>>> thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.douglassdavis.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Programming Microsoft Visual Basic 2005: The Language by Francesco Balena
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735621837/ref=pd_cp_b_title/105-2966888-9022846 [quoted text, click to view] "www.douglassdavis.com" <douglass_davis@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1166756277.971171.290280@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > I'm looking for advice here, and I would really appreciate it if you > could help. > > > > Is there a VB 2005 book that you like and would recommend (and why)? > > Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, intermediate, > or advanced level? > > thanks. > > > -- > http://www.douglassdavis.com >
My apologies of course. I started with Balena's books but I had a background
in vba. So I would say you should have some coding background. [quoted text, click to view] "Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message news:ODPOTgYJHHA.5000@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Kelly, > > You did not answer the question > >>> Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, intermediate, >>> or advanced level? >>> > > I have the opinion that about books the starting level is very important. > The OP did not write that, therefore is in my opinion no answer possible > otherwise than that everybody tells his own level, which is in my opinion > to much asked because the OP can tell it himself. > > This message as well more in general for those who ask advices about books > and things like that. > > As forever, just my opinion of course.. > > Cor > > > "vbnetdev" <admin@kjmsolutions.com> schreef in bericht > news:eOaBsLYJHHA.2056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Programming Microsoft Visual Basic 2005: The Language by Francesco Balena >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735621837/ref=pd_cp_b_title/105-2966888-9022846 >> >> >> "www.douglassdavis.com" <douglass_davis@earthlink.net> wrote in message >> news:1166756277.971171.290280@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> I'm looking for advice here, and I would really appreciate it if you >>> could help. >>> >>> >>> >>> Is there a VB 2005 book that you like and would recommend (and why)? >>> >>> Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, intermediate, >>> or advanced level? >>> >>> thanks. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.douglassdavis.com >>> >> >> > >
Kelly,
You did not answer the question [quoted text, click to view] >> Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, intermediate, >> or advanced level? >> I have the opinion that about books the starting level is very important. The OP did not write that, therefore is in my opinion no answer possible otherwise than that everybody tells his own level, which is in my opinion to much asked because the OP can tell it himself. This message as well more in general for those who ask advices about books and things like that. As forever, just my opinion of course.. Cor "vbnetdev" <admin@kjmsolutions.com> schreef in bericht news:eOaBsLYJHHA.2056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > Programming Microsoft Visual Basic 2005: The Language by Francesco Balena > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0735621837/ref=pd_cp_b_title/105-2966888-9022846 > > > "www.douglassdavis.com" <douglass_davis@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1166756277.971171.290280@n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> >> I'm looking for advice here, and I would really appreciate it if you >> could help. >> >> >> >> Is there a VB 2005 book that you like and would recommend (and why)? >> >> Would you consider it good for beginners to programming, intermediate, >> or advanced level? >> >> thanks. >> >> >> -- >> http://www.douglassdavis.com >> > >
[quoted text, click to view] RobinS wrote: > It depends on how you define "beginner". Beginner to VB completely? > Or knows VB6 or another language and is trying to learn the 2005 > version? > beginner to VB completely.
For a complete beginner to VB, I found John Smiley's "Learn to Program
VB.Net" useful. The book has a lot of fluff, but if you have absolutely no idea of what to do at all, it brings you along and gets you up to speed quickly. [quoted text, click to view] "www.douglassdavis.com" <douglass_davis@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:1166784202.881784.315630@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > RobinS wrote: >> It depends on how you define "beginner". Beginner to VB completely? >> Or knows VB6 or another language and is trying to learn the 2005 >> version? >> > > beginner to VB completely. >
"vbnetdev" <admin@kjmsolutions.com> schrieb:
[quoted text, click to view] > My apologies of course. I started with Balena's books but I had a > background in vba. So I would say you should have some coding background. I know Balena's book and I agree. -- M S Herfried K. Wagner M V P <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/> V B <URL:http://dotnet.mvps.org/dotnet/faqs/>
"RobinS" <RobinS@NoSpam.yah.none> wrote in
news:tuydnYjiV71_7hbYnZ2dnUVZ_veinZ2d@comcast.com: [quoted text, click to view] > For beginners to both VB and to VB2005, I recommend Tim Patrick's > "Start-to-Finish VB2005". It's also good for intermediate; it > covers a lot of topics, and you end up building an entire application, > so you can see how all of the components work together. I bought this book a couple of weeks ago.
I think the book is really good. I'm in chapter 18 (3/4 of the way
through the book, about 90%+ of the code done, according to the author). (I'm reading a couple of other books at the same time, and my head may explode any day now.) I think the book explains most things well. It has a lot of humor in it, which makes it a lot less dry than other books. There is a *lot* of code. The author has you use code snippets to add the code, which is clever. I sort of wish he would explain more. For example, in the GDI+ chapter, he shows a lot of commands to create stuff, but doesn't explain what all the parameters mean. On the other hand, it is easily looked up in MSDN. So far, I have only found one error, and it was in some sample code where he shows how to put graphics in a ComboBox, not in the actual project code. The only problem with it was he needed to cast a couple of calculated values to Single, so it was easy to fix. The only problem I've had with his code is that the screens draw funny on my computer. Some of them are chopped off at the bottom. I'm going to post a question about that to the dotnet.windowforms newsgroup as soon as I get around to it. The author said neither he nor any of the tech reviewers had that problem, so in all likelihood it's something about my display settings. The only other "issue" one might have with the book is that it doesn't follow the n-layer design methodology, and doesn't always follow standard practices, like in the naming of the controls. On the other hand, you might argue that as long as an entire application follows its own standards consistently, that's okay. It might be that that's okay for small business desktop applications. Aside from this, there's still a lot of good information in the book. Overall, I'd have to say I learned a lot from reading the book, and will come back to it in the future. I'm kind of impatient, so I didn't stop to figure out every single line of code that was added to the project; I figured I could come back to those sections when I needed to in the future. It's important to know what the possibilities are, so I can use those ideas in designing future applications. I can always look up the details. My two cents' worth. Robin S. ------------------------------------------------ [quoted text, click to view] "TAVOSOFT via DotNetMonster.com" <u30299@uwe> wrote in message news:6b5c140a8dedb@uwe... > Hi Robin , > I am thinking to buy you book Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005: Learn > Visual > Basic 2005 as You Design and Develop a Complete Application. > > I wanna Knows if the application (the library) is complete and > perfectly > functional and free of errors? > > The design of the application is showed complete and step by step in > the book > ? > > Thanks you . > > > > > > > > RobinS wrote: >>It depends on how you define "beginner". Beginner to VB completely? >>Or knows VB6 or another language and is trying to learn the 2005 >>version? >> >>I read that book by Mr. Balena. I really, really liked it. I wouldn't >>say it was for people who are completely new to VB. I knew VB6 and >>read it, and understood it pretty well. I think it would be good >>for intermediate/advanced people, too. >> >>I also read "Standard Practices and Procedures" by Balena (which has >>examples in both VB and C#) and really liked that one as well. >>That's more an intermediate/advanced book, discussing performance >>and best practices and explaining why. It's also VB/C#2003, not 2005, >>but most of the info still applies. I didn't agree with everything >>in the book though (he's sticking with Hungarian notation, or at >>least, was when he wrote the book). >> >>For beginners to both VB and to VB2005, I recommend Tim Patrick's >>"Start-to-Finish VB2005". It's also good for intermediate; it >>covers a lot of topics, and you end up building an entire application, >>so you can see how all of the components work together. >> >>Another of my favorite books is Brian Noyes's Data Binding book. It >>has a lot of great information in it. It's definitely an intermediate/ >>advanced book. It's in C#, but the download code is both VB and C#. >> >>For data, I like "ADO.Net The Core Reference" by David Sceppa. >>I think it's for any level. It's mostly data access stuff. >>There's *some* stuff about data binding, but winforms is not the >>focus of the book. It also focuses on SQLServer data access, >>not so much Access or Oracle. >> >>I didn't like the Microsoft Step-By-Step beginner's book. It has >>some stuff in it that I know isn't the recommended way of doing >>things, and it bugged me. I got the feeling it was written before >>VB2005 was finalized. It was for the true beginner. >> >>I read the Thearon Willis & Bryan Newsome book, "Beginning VB.Net". >>I think it was also written before VB2005 was finalized. It had a >>number of bugs. It was a good basic book, though, for any kind of >>beginner. >> >>My very favorite was "Doing Objects in VB2005" by Deborah Kurata. >>It explained the n-layer model and OOP, along with a bunch of >>Visual Studio tricks and tips, but it won't be published until >>March 2007. You could use it if you were new to VB2005, but not >>if you were new to VB -- it's not *that* kind of book. >> >>That's my 10 cents' worth. (Inflation.) >> >>Robin S. >>------------------------------------------- >> >>> My apologies of course. I started with Balena's books but I had a >>> background in vba. So I would say you should have some coding >>[quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.douglassdavis.com > > -- > Message posted via http://www.dotnetmonster.com >
Hi Robin ,
I am thinking to buy you book Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005: Learn Visual Basic 2005 as You Design and Develop a Complete Application. I wanna Knows if the application (the library) is complete and perfectly functional and free of errors? The design of the application is showed complete and step by step in the book ? Thanks you . [quoted text, click to view] RobinS wrote: >It depends on how you define "beginner". Beginner to VB completely? >Or knows VB6 or another language and is trying to learn the 2005 >version? > >I read that book by Mr. Balena. I really, really liked it. I wouldn't >say it was for people who are completely new to VB. I knew VB6 and >read it, and understood it pretty well. I think it would be good >for intermediate/advanced people, too. > >I also read "Standard Practices and Procedures" by Balena (which has >examples in both VB and C#) and really liked that one as well. >That's more an intermediate/advanced book, discussing performance >and best practices and explaining why. It's also VB/C#2003, not 2005, >but most of the info still applies. I didn't agree with everything >in the book though (he's sticking with Hungarian notation, or at >least, was when he wrote the book). > >For beginners to both VB and to VB2005, I recommend Tim Patrick's >"Start-to-Finish VB2005". It's also good for intermediate; it >covers a lot of topics, and you end up building an entire application, >so you can see how all of the components work together. > >Another of my favorite books is Brian Noyes's Data Binding book. It >has a lot of great information in it. It's definitely an intermediate/ >advanced book. It's in C#, but the download code is both VB and C#. > >For data, I like "ADO.Net The Core Reference" by David Sceppa. >I think it's for any level. It's mostly data access stuff. >There's *some* stuff about data binding, but winforms is not the >focus of the book. It also focuses on SQLServer data access, >not so much Access or Oracle. > >I didn't like the Microsoft Step-By-Step beginner's book. It has >some stuff in it that I know isn't the recommended way of doing >things, and it bugged me. I got the feeling it was written before >VB2005 was finalized. It was for the true beginner. > >I read the Thearon Willis & Bryan Newsome book, "Beginning VB.Net". >I think it was also written before VB2005 was finalized. It had a >number of bugs. It was a good basic book, though, for any kind of >beginner. > >My very favorite was "Doing Objects in VB2005" by Deborah Kurata. >It explained the n-layer model and OOP, along with a bunch of >Visual Studio tricks and tips, but it won't be published until >March 2007. You could use it if you were new to VB2005, but not >if you were new to VB -- it's not *that* kind of book. > >That's my 10 cents' worth. (Inflation.) > >Robin S. >------------------------------------------- > >> My apologies of course. I started with Balena's books but I had a >> background in vba. So I would say you should have some coding >[quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >>>>> -- >>>>> http://www.douglassdavis.com -- Message posted via http://www.dotnetmonster.com
Microsoft have a couple on their site for free - worth a look given they
cost nothing but a download http://www.johntimney.com/blog/default.aspx#a9468f147-1a2a-4a9e-85c2-4496ac535009 Regards John Timney (MVP) http://www.johntimney.com http://www.johntimney.com/blog [quoted text, click to view] "Bruce W. Darby" <kracor@comcast.net> wrote in message news:geSdnUwcLZXachbYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast.com... > For a complete beginner to VB, I found John Smiley's "Learn to Program > VB.Net" useful. The book has a lot of fluff, but if you have absolutely no > idea of what to do at all, it brings you along and gets you up to speed > quickly. > > "www.douglassdavis.com" <douglass_davis@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1166784202.881784.315630@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> >> RobinS wrote: >>> It depends on how you define "beginner". Beginner to VB completely? >>> Or knows VB6 or another language and is trying to learn the 2005 >>> version? >>> >> >> beginner to VB completely. >> > >
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