| Groups | Blog | Home |
c# : Please give me a moment - How Employable am I?
there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy weight on me. I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client of my software company. I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously). While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team) that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to. In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate environment. I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of stress. I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the workforce at that point? Am I employable? At what position? What Salary? "Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated.
[quoted text, click to view] GeekDrool wrote: > I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out > there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy > weight on me. > > I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years > ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as > the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client > of my software company. > > I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL > Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously). > > While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team) > that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not > correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to. > In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate > environment. > > I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going > nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new > product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business > management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of > stress. > > I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering > becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the > workforce at that point? > > Am I employable? At what position? What Salary? > > "Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated. Dear GeekDrool, I think that your question depends on various of things, such as your dwelling place (Country etc...) and your motivation for job position. In my opinion, the the market is growing and all you have to do is believe in your self and you your personal skills. Don't give-up on your self or be with low self-confidence. I really think that whether you are 'employable' or really depends on you. Proper disclosure: I am 26 years old, so maybe it's easy for me to say.. Sincerely, Moty
Hi GeekDrool,
Frist of all, where you want to go? sigh :( I am 37, working in a MSV and going nowhere; Degree is not a must landing another developer job for you. However, it is hard for you moving up the ladder without a degree. May be you can do that in a small company but not those conventional corporate. In small company, where can you go? At the end, there is no right way or wrong way in IT, only better way :) BTW, just wonder how hard in running a small software company? -- cheers, RL [quoted text, click to view] "Moty Michaely" <Moty.Mi@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1178860973.854081.226430@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > GeekDrool wrote: >> I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out >> there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy >> weight on me. >> >> I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years >> ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as >> the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client >> of my software company. >> >> I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL >> Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously). >> >> While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team) >> that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not >> correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to. >> In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate >> environment. >> >> I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going >> nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new >> product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business >> management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of >> stress. >> >> I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering >> becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the >> workforce at that point? >> >> Am I employable? At what position? What Salary? >> >> "Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated. > > Dear GeekDrool, > > I think that your question depends on various of things, such as your > dwelling place (Country etc...) and your motivation for job position. > > In my opinion, the the market is growing and all you have to do is > believe in your self and you your personal skills. > Don't give-up on your self or be with low self-confidence. > > I really think that whether you are 'employable' or really depends on > you. > > Proper disclosure: I am 26 years old, so maybe it's easy for me to > say.. > > Sincerely, > Moty >
I'm not a team leader or manager, but I have been consulting for 13 years,
so maybe I qualify as an insightful grunt. Whether your leadership was in someone else's company or your own, it's still leadership experience. You've managed people; you've owned projects; I assume you've executed successful deliveries to customers. Spell it out on your resume. List and quantify your accomplishments. For example, don't just say, "I delivered several projects on time and within budget. Say, "I delivered 18 projects on time and within budget." (18--a number I pulled out of the air--you get the idea). In my experience, the lack of a college degree has not been a hindrance. In almost all cases, companies are willing to substitute years of experience for years in college. You being able to list six years in the past, plue more now gives you a significant total number of years. Besides highlighting your past business experiences, your main challenge will be to show ample current experience. I have found that getting out of the loop of new technologies for even a year can be a significant setback to me. I left programming in 2003, and when I came back in 2004 with no .NET experience yet, it took quite a while to find work. But you are currently employed using what sounds like current technologies, so this shouldn't be too difficult for you. My general impression of Microsoft certifications is that they are only marginally useful, if at all, in terms of landing a contract. (Full-time/permanent employment may be different.) Others in this newsgroup who have them may bristle at that. :) No offense--that's just my experience. There was a time a couple years ago when my technical recruiter was urging me to get one because the employment market was very tight and sometimes, when a company was deciding between two otherwise equally qualified candidates, the one with the certification got the job. But that hasn't been the case recently. As for salary, it varies by region and industry, contract or permanent, benefits or no benefits. I hesitate to even throw out numbers. But I have typically found the consulting recruiters I've worked with to be honest about what kind of wages the market can support for my given skillset. You might want to consider going the consulting route for a period of time, because it takes some of the burden off--they do a lot of the hard work in finding companies looking to hire someone with your skillset and in negotiating the wage. YES. You are definitely employable. Keep your chin up and your chest out. Put as many accomplishments, tools, languages, etc. as you can on your resume and go for it. Interviewing is always hard work, even when you're feeling good about yourself. Don't let your current discouragement make you think you're not worthwhile. -- Brian Schwartz FishNet Components http://www.fishnetcomponents.com Fish Grid .NET Light: Powerful Layouts for Small Datasets [quoted text, click to view] "GeekDrool" <GeekDrool@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1178857973.436753.320620@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out > there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy > weight on me. > > I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years > ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as > the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client > of my software company. > > I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL > Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously). > > While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team) > that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not > correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to. > In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate > environment. > > I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going > nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new > product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business > management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of > stress. > > I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering > becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the > workforce at that point? > > Am I employable? At what position? What Salary? > > "Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated. >
[quoted text, click to view]
GeekDrool wrote: > I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out > there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy > weight on me. > > I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years > ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as > the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client > of my software company. > > I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL > Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously). > > While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team) > that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not > correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to. > In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate > environment. > > I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going > nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new > product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business > management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of > stress. > > I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering > becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the > workforce at that point? > > Am I employable? At what position? What Salary? Employable as a manager ? If somebody within the company know you from your own business days, then absolutely possible, else I would not be too optimistic. Anything is possible but possible and likely are two different things. If you know C#, have basic understanding of software development process and have an IQ > 100, then you will certainly be able to find a programming job. You should realize that you will start side by side with people 10-15 years younger than you. How quickly you will find it and salary depends a bit on where you will be looking for the job.
[quoted text, click to view]
"GeekDrool" <GeekDrool@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1178857973.436753.320620@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going > nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new > product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business > management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of > stress. Depending on where you are, I'd suggest becoming a contractor. I did that nearly 15 years ago, and have never regretted it... [quoted text, click to view] > I have no college degree, Irrelevant - experience is what counts. [quoted text, click to view] > I am 36 and am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) A total and utter waste of time... -- http://www.markrae.net
Can anyone tell me hows the structure of 70-551 exam paper..?
and also let me know which r the books I need to refer for the same.. Please waitin for ur reply.... Rgards, Kiran T V MCP MCAD MCSD Bangalore [quoted text, click to view] "Moty Michaely" wrote:
> > GeekDrool wrote: > > I hope there are some team leaders/managers (or insightful grunts) out > > there that can give this post a little time, as this topic is a heavy > > weight on me. > > > > I owned a software company for about 6 years. I sold it about 5 years > > ago, did almost nothing for about 2 years, and have been employed as > > the sole developer in a .COM for the past two years by a former client > > of my software company. > > > > I manage the web site, web services, and Windows Development, SQL > > Server, and Windows 2003 Server (dangerously). > > > > While I have managed a development team, (and support/Service Team) > > that was done so in my own company in my own style, perhaps not > > correctly, I don't know as I have no I have nothing to compare it to. > > In essence, I have never worked in conventional corporate > > environment. > > > > I am not satisfied with my current job as it is stagnant, I am going > > nowhere. To boot, I am burnt out on Entrepreneurship, while new > > product ideas are vast, the idea of going back to "business > > management" makes me cringe. I don't want to go back to that level of > > stress. > > > > I have no college degree, I am self taught, I am 36 and am considering > > becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) What can I expect in the > > workforce at that point? > > > > Am I employable? At what position? What Salary? > > > > "Any" Comments would be greatly appreciated. > > Dear GeekDrool, > > I think that your question depends on various of things, such as your > dwelling place (Country etc...) and your motivation for job position. > > In my opinion, the the market is growing and all you have to do is > believe in your self and you your personal skills. > Don't give-up on your self or be with low self-confidence. > > I really think that whether you are 'employable' or really depends on > you. > > Proper disclosure: I am 26 years old, so maybe it's easy for me to > say.. > > Sincerely, > Moty >
"Kiran Bangalore" <Kiran Bangalore@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:D467D100-5EF2-4BDF-973E-7BA2E57FE2FE@microsoft.com... [quoted text, click to view] > Can anyone tell me hows the structure of 70-551 exam paper..? > and also let me know which r the books I need to refer for the same.. You can buy the whole thing here: http://www.examcheets.com/ It will cost you 16 US dollars... Complete waste of time... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
[quoted text, click to view]
"GeekDrool" <GeekDrool@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1178857973.436753.320620@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > I have no college degree, Irrelevant. [quoted text, click to view] > I am self taught, OK. [quoted text, click to view] > I am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download the entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any number of websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/ All that counts is your experience... [quoted text, click to view] > Am I employable? Yes. [quoted text, click to view] > At what position? Have you consdered contracting / freelancing...? [quoted text, click to view] > What salary? Where are you based...? -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
[quoted text, click to view]
"Søren Reinke" <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> wrote in message news:46a360eb$0$7604$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk... >> A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download the >> entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any number of >> websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/ > > Where is the examples of what you get for your money ? http://www.examcheets.com/ - click FAQ. They estimate that it will take between ten and thirteen hours to memorise every question and answer and, when you can do that, they are so confident that you will pass that they offer a money-back guarantee if you don't... [quoted text, click to view] > The certificates might not give you any knowledge, That's correct - they don't... [quoted text, click to view] > but at least here in Europe the people hiring you, love them (for some > weird reason). That may be true in Denmark - I couldn't comment - but it certainly isn't the case in the UK... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
[quoted text, click to view]
Mark Rae [MVP] wrote: > "GeekDrool" <GeekDrool@gmail.com> wrote in message=20 > news:1178857973.436753.320620@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >=20 >> I have no college degree, >=20 > Irrelevant. >=20 >> I am self taught, >=20 > OK. >=20 >> I am considering becoming a MCPD (Enterprise Developer / C#) >=20 > A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download the= =20 > entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any number of = > websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/ Where is the examples of what you get for your money ? p.s. The certificat's might not give you any knowledge, but at least here in=20 Europe the people hiring you, love them (for some weird reason).
[quoted text, click to view]
Mark Rae [MVP] wrote: > "S=F8ren Reinke" <soren@REMOVE.reinke.dk> wrote in message=20 > news:46a360eb$0$7604$157c6196@dreader2.cybercity.dk... >=20 >>> A total and utter waste of time. For a few dollars you can download=20 >>> the entire set of questions and and answers for any MCP from any=20 >>> number of websites - here's one: http://www.examcheets.com/ >> >> Where is the examples of what you get for your money ? >=20 > http://www.examcheets.com/ - click FAQ. They estimate that it will take= =20 > between ten and thirteen hours to memorise every question and answer=20 > and, when you can do that, they are so confident that you will pass tha= t=20 > they offer a money-back guarantee if you don't... I have seen the FAQ, but still there is not a single example to prove=20 what they actually sell. It is just words. I have seen to many sites promissing everything, giving you nothing, and = a money back guarantee isn't much worth, if it is a cheating company. [quoted text, click to view] >=20 >> The certificates might not give you any knowledge, >=20 > That's correct - they don't... That sure depends on the people taking the exams. If you just memorize the questions, without actually understanding the=20 material, then it is correct. But if you actually try to understand, and work with it, you learn=20 something (if not you are plain stupid) [quoted text, click to view] >=20 >> but at least here in Europe the people hiring you, love them (for some= =20 >> weird reason). >=20 > That may be true in Denmark - I couldn't comment - but it certainly=20 > isn't the case in the UK... Don't know about that, but at least in Denmark and Germany it sure makes = a difference, if to people with the same background applies for a job,=20 and 1 of them has some certificates.
[quoted text, click to view]
On Jul 26, 12:51 pm, "Egghead" <robertlo@NO_SHAW.CA> wrote: > Actually, M$ certs alone worth nothing. You need to have exp. > > -- > cheers, > RL > "Mark Rae [MVP]" <m...@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in messagenews:uMw5%23e6zHHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > > > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in > > messagenews:evkriN6zHHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > >> You're *NOT* Serious!!! > > >> You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! > > > No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the > > questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and, > > therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are... > > > -- > > Mark Rae > > ASP.NET MVP > >http://www.markrae.net- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - This is sad. You call yourself "valuable" to Microsoft yet you slander them in the same post? You might as well renounce your MVP status now before it's taken from you. -- Taylor S. Ripley CertGuard Security Officer http://www.certguard.com Join the fight against Braindumps! http://www.certguard.com/forums/
You're *NOT* Serious!!!
You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! I look forward to seeing your name without the [MVP] after it. -- CertGuard [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message
news:uUB6nwFzHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Kiran Bangalore" <Kiran Bangalore@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:D467D100-5EF2-4BDF-973E-7BA2E57FE2FE@microsoft.com... > >> Can anyone tell me hows the structure of 70-551 exam paper..? >> and also let me know which r the books I need to refer for the same.. > > You can buy the whole thing here: http://www.examcheets.com/ > > It will cost you 16 US dollars... > > Complete waste of time... > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net
Actually, M$ certs alone worth nothing. You need to have exp.
-- cheers, RL [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message news:uMw5%23e6zHHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in > message news:evkriN6zHHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> You're *NOT* Serious!!! >> >> You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! > > No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the > questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and, > therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are... > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net
[quoted text, click to view] "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message That was no example. That was a direct link to a braindump provider...and it's news:uMw5#e6zHHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in > message news:evkriN6zHHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> You're *NOT* Serious!!! >> >> You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! > > No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the > questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and, > therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are... > > NOT the only time you've done it. Although that little 'excuse' will probably save your @$$ when MSL contacts you about it. For future reference, there are HUNDREDS of braindump websites out there. Providing links to any one of them is considered promotion. If you don't like the way certifications are going, then don't get involved in them, but don't post links to places where these people can make it worse on the rest of us. Here are some resources that you can point people to that will HELP the Certifications get better versus worsening them: Exam Security FAQ: http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcpexams/faq/security.mspx Exam Security & Integrity Webcast: https://www114.livemeeting.com/cc/lmevents/view?id=msft052307lm_pm&pw=ATT0900&cn= Braindumps: http://www.certguard.com/braindumps.asp Braindump Free Search: http://www.certguard.com/search.asp And, Look for my Blog on this topic: http://blog.certguard.com/ -- Robert Williams [CertGuard]
Microsoft doesn't not revoke MVP because someone speaks their mind in
stating the obvious with regard to the MCP Program. -- ..rev "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 Register on-line @ vue.com .. [quoted text, click to view] "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1185473759.823778.282970@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 26, 12:51 pm, "Egghead" <robertlo@NO_SHAW.CA> wrote: >> Actually, M$ certs alone worth nothing. You need to have exp. >> >> -- >> cheers, >> RL >> "Mark Rae [MVP]" <m...@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in >> messagenews:uMw5%23e6zHHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> >> >> > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote >> > in >> > messagenews:evkriN6zHHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> >> You're *NOT* Serious!!! >> >> >> You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! >> >> > No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the >> > questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and, >> > therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are... >> >> > -- >> > Mark Rae >> > ASP.NET MVP >> >http://www.markrae.net- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > This is sad. You call yourself "valuable" to Microsoft yet you > slander them in the same post? You might as well renounce your MVP > status now before it's taken from you. > > -- > Taylor S. Ripley > CertGuard Security Officer > http://www.certguard.com > Join the fight against Braindumps! > http://www.certguard.com/forums/ >
Hey Mark,
I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it seems in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. I think they've figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have nothing to do with the MVP program. I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we do at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer. -- ..rev "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 Register on-line @ vue.com .. [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message
news:%23uL37f8zHHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23SHsKM8zHHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> Microsoft doesn't not revoke MVP because someone speaks their mind > > Quite the reverse, in fact... > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net
"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in
message news:evkriN6zHHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > You're *NOT* Serious!!! > > You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and, therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you posted
a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read something else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over 21. No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question you want to ask me? -- ..rev "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 Register on-line @ vue.com .. "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%23jFP9J9zHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:O3yrtz8zHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > >> Hey Mark, >> >> I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you >> discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it >> seems >> in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. > > Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread till > now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread? > >> I think they've >> figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have >> nothing >> to do with the MVP program. > > No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works. > >> I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't >> think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we >> do >> at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer. > > Are you both even over 21? > > -- > Michael D. Alligood, > MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST > The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ > CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com > >
Um, rev, that was ME. Pay attention boy. ;)
#1, I never said anything about Mark having certs. I pretty much assumed that he didn't have any because of the way he was ragging on them so much. #2, I, too, know perfectly well how the MVP program works, and I know that there are credentials that must be met in order to attain that level. I also know that this MVP award is only for the duration of one year. My comment about the letters after his name was merely a reference to the fact that I hope he does not get nominated again when the time comes. #3, His promotion of braindumps in public microsoft newsgroups does violate various rules of the MVP Program and other Microsoft Terms of Use. If you want to buy this guy a beer for promoting braindumps, then you're not the ***** that I thought you were. #4, Nowhere did I mention his name, nor did I refer any direct links that would have lead anyone here to figure out who he is. The only connection I've made between the two is from here, in which case the reader would have already known who he was. #5, you should really take care of those typos, it makes it difficult to understand what you're saying. -- CertGuard [quoted text, click to view] "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:#zf$mX9zHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you > posted a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read > something else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for > being over 21. No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that > really the question you want to ask me? > > -- > .rev > > "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought > without > accepting it" > ~Aristotle > > Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use > Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 > > Register on-line @ vue.com > . > "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote > in message news:%23jFP9J9zHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:O3yrtz8zHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >> >>> Hey Mark, >>> >>> I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you >>> discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it >>> seems >>> in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. >> >> Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread >> till now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread? >> >>> I think they've >>> figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have >>> nothing >>> to do with the MVP program. >> >> No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works. >> >>> I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't >>> think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we >>> do >>> at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer. >> >> Are you both even over 21? >> >> -- >> Michael D. Alligood, >> MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST >> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ >> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com >> >>
Thanks! Really appreciate!!
-- CertGuard [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message
news:uTS8yj8zHHA.4928@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in > message news:OoPmZF7zHHA.4824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >> That was no example. > > ??? Of course it was! > >> That was a direct link to a braindump provider... > > Correct. > >> and it's NOT the only time you've done it. > > Indeed - and not the last, I'd imagine... > >> Although that little 'excuse' will probably save your @$$ when MSL >> contacts you about it. > > :-) > >> For future reference, there are HUNDREDS of braindump websites out there. > > Yes - I know... > >> Providing links to any one of them is considered promotion. > > Is it? By whom? I'm no more advocating the use of braindump sites than the > acquisition of certifications which I consider to be worthless... > >> If you don't like the way certifications are going, then don't get >> involved in them, > > I certainly have no intention of getting involved in them... > >> but don't post links to places where these people can make it worse on >> the rest of us. > > When did you become my boss...? > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net
3
-- ..rev "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 Register on-line @ vue.com .. "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%23BUUAq9zHHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:#zf$mX9zHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > >> You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you >> posted >> a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read >> something >> else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over >> 21. >> No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question >> you want to ask me? >> >> -- >> .rev >> > No, what I really want to ask is do you do any research at all before you > speak? I did not nor have not posted anything on CertBlog. The blog > belongs to CertGuard, Inc. and I did not post anything about Mark on that > or any other site or blog. So you are 0 for 2 now. Care to strike out? > > Regardless, thanks for visiting CertBlog. Have a good day. > -- > Michael D. Alligood, > MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST > The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ > CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com > >
Ah, well I get confused it seems at times. But I think most of you missed
Mark's point. He wasn't promoting braindumps, though you do. You may not mean to, but your site has the largest set of Braindump links on the planet. Don't press the red button right? -- ..rev "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 Register on-line @ vue.com .. [quoted text, click to view] "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <mr_pgmr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eQBk4g%23zHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Um, rev, that was ME. Pay attention boy. ;) > > #1, I never said anything about Mark having certs. I pretty much assumed > that he didn't have any because of the way he was ragging on them so much. > > #2, I, too, know perfectly well how the MVP program works, and I know that > there are credentials that must be met in order to attain that level. I > also know that this MVP award is only for the duration of one year. My > comment about the letters after his name was merely a reference to the > fact that I hope he does not get nominated again when the time comes. > > #3, His promotion of braindumps in public microsoft newsgroups does > violate various rules of the MVP Program and other Microsoft Terms of Use. > If you want to buy this guy a beer for promoting braindumps, then you're > not the ***** that I thought you were. > > #4, Nowhere did I mention his name, nor did I refer any direct links that > would have lead anyone here to figure out who he is. The only connection > I've made between the two is from here, in which case the reader would > have already known who he was. > > #5, you should really take care of those typos, it makes it difficult to > understand what you're saying. > > > -- > CertGuard > > > "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:#zf$mX9zHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you >> posted a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read >> something else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for >> being over 21. No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that >> really the question you want to ask me? >> >> -- >> .rev >> >> "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought >> without >> accepting it" >> ~Aristotle >> >> Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use >> Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 >> >> Register on-line @ vue.com >> . >> "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote >> in message news:%23jFP9J9zHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:O3yrtz8zHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >>> >>>> Hey Mark, >>>> >>>> I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you >>>> discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it >>>> seems >>>> in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. >>> >>> Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread >>> till now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread? >>> >>>> I think they've >>>> figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have >>>> nothing >>>> to do with the MVP program. >>> >>> No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works. >>> >>>> I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't >>>> think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if >>>> we do >>>> at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer. >>> >>> Are you both even over 21? >>> >>> -- >>> Michael D. Alligood, >>> MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST >>> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ >>> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com >>> >>> >>
[quoted text, click to view]
"The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message news:%23SHsKM8zHHA.5948@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Microsoft doesn't not revoke MVP because someone speaks their mind Quite the reverse, in fact... -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
Hmmm you're right, CertGuard DOES have the largest set of Braindump links
AND the largest set of legitimate practice test providers. Over 750 sites now and still growing. You can find every one of them here: http://www.CertGuard.com/search.asp (Hope you know all of them) Here are a few other points that I feel I should make about the search feature on CertGuard: #1, A person has to know that the site (braindump, gunman, or legit) exists in order for them to type it into the textbox. #2, They also have to spell the site they are looking for correctly. Otherwise they get no results. #3, There is no way for anyone to extract those sites from the database. #4, CertGuard is operating in an educational capacity. Combined with our Practice Test Provider Reviews Page (http://www.certguard.com/reviews.asp), and our information about braindumps (http://www.CertGuard.com/braindumps.asp) it's pretty obvious that we're not promoting any such use of braindumps. #5, The more our search is used to find out if they are using a legitimate source of materials, the higher on the search engine results we get, which means that there are more chances of potential IT Professionals finding us before they find a braindump site. And that helps take the focus away from the actual braindump companies that are profiting from your certifications, and those of your students. Now I understand that people are going to abuse the system (that is inevitable), but we are taking other measures to prevent as much misuse of our system as possible. Thanks again .rev -- CertGuard [quoted text, click to view] "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:en89Av#zHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Ah, well I get confused it seems at times. But I think most of you missed > Mark's point. He wasn't promoting braindumps, though you do. You may not > mean to, but your site has the largest set of Braindump links on the > planet. Don't press the red button right? > > -- > .rev > > "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought > without > accepting it" > ~Aristotle > > Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use > Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 > > Register on-line @ vue.com > . > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <mr_pgmr@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:eQBk4g%23zHHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Um, rev, that was ME. Pay attention boy. ;) >> >> #1, I never said anything about Mark having certs. I pretty much assumed >> that he didn't have any because of the way he was ragging on them so >> much. >> >> #2, I, too, know perfectly well how the MVP program works, and I know >> that there are credentials that must be met in order to attain that >> level. I also know that this MVP award is only for the duration of one >> year. My comment about the letters after his name was merely a reference >> to the fact that I hope he does not get nominated again when the time >> comes. >> >> #3, His promotion of braindumps in public microsoft newsgroups does >> violate various rules of the MVP Program and other Microsoft Terms of >> Use. If you want to buy this guy a beer for promoting braindumps, then >> you're not the ***** that I thought you were. >> >> #4, Nowhere did I mention his name, nor did I refer any direct links that >> would have lead anyone here to figure out who he is. The only connection >> I've made between the two is from here, in which case the reader would >> have already known who he was. >> >> #5, you should really take care of those typos, it makes it difficult to >> understand what you're saying. >> >> >> -- >> CertGuard >> >> >> "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:#zf$mX9zHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you >>> posted a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read >>> something else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for >>> being over 21. No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that >>> really the question you want to ask me? >>> >>> -- >>> .rev >>> >>> "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought >>> without >>> accepting it" >>> ~Aristotle >>> >>> Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use >>> Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 >>> >>> Register on-line @ vue.com >>> . >>> "Michael D. Alligood [CertGuard, Inc.]" <mdalligood@bellsouth.net> wrote >>> in message news:%23jFP9J9zHHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:O3yrtz8zHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: >>>> >>>>> Hey Mark, >>>>> >>>>> I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you >>>>> discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it >>>>> seems >>>>> in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. >>>> >>>> Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread >>>> till now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread? >>>> >>>>> I think they've >>>>> figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have >>>>> nothing >>>>> to do with the MVP program. >>>> >>>> No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works. >>>> >>>>> I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't >>>>> think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if >>>>> we do >>>>> at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer. >>>> >>>> Are you both even over 21? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Michael D. Alligood, >>>> MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST >>>> The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ >>>> CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com >>>> >>>> >>>
"Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in
message news:OoPmZF7zHHA.4824@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > That was no example. ??? Of course it was! [quoted text, click to view] > That was a direct link to a braindump provider... Correct. [quoted text, click to view] > and it's NOT the only time you've done it. Indeed - and not the last, I'd imagine... [quoted text, click to view] > Although that little 'excuse' will probably save your @$$ when MSL > contacts you about it. :-) [quoted text, click to view] > For future reference, there are HUNDREDS of braindump websites out there. Yes - I know... [quoted text, click to view] > Providing links to any one of them is considered promotion. Is it? By whom? I'm no more advocating the use of braindump sites than the acquisition of certifications which I consider to be worthless... [quoted text, click to view] > If you don't like the way certifications are going, then don't get > involved in them, I certainly have no intention of getting involved in them... [quoted text, click to view] > but don't post links to places where these people can make it worse on the > rest of us. When did you become my boss...? -- Mark Rae ASP.NET MVP http://www.markrae.net
[quoted text, click to view]
"The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message news:O3yrtz8zHHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: > Hey Mark, > > I do find it funny that you've been personally attacked because you > discredit the value of certification. And Algood has done his part it seems > in trying to discredit you himself. I too find this funny. Are you referring to me? If so, I have not said a word in this thread till now. And what have I said about Mark in any other thread? [quoted text, click to view] > I think they've > figured MVP means you got certified when in fact certifications have nothing > to do with the MVP program. No, I am perfectly aware of how the MVP program works. [quoted text, click to view] > I find the whole arguement amusing. I don't > think we've met, beacuse I didn't recognize the name, but I'm sure if we do > at a summit eventually I will buy you a beer. Are you both even over 21? -- Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com
[quoted text, click to view]
"The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message No, what I really want to ask is do you do any research at all before news:#zf$mX9zHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > You asked where you said anything. Well I read the certblog after you posted > a link at Trika's site about your email with Prometric and I read something > else instead. So yes I know what you said about Mark. As for being over 21. > No I'm only 12 years old. I mean come on man, is that really the question > you want to ask me? > > -- > .rev > you speak? I did not nor have not posted anything on CertBlog. The blog belongs to CertGuard, Inc. and I did not post anything about Mark on that or any other site or blog. So you are 0 for 2 now. Care to strike out? Regardless, thanks for visiting CertBlog. Have a good day. -- Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com
T>
You obviously didn't get the point of my signature. I don't post links and certs in my sig all the time I did it to prove a point, but not to you or algood. As for my many grammatical errors, which there are often many, when I'm writing in a newsgroup I don't often take the time to correct things. My point was for exam questions. Regardless, the sentence read; the value of certifications is. right? What I missed was a comma if anything because is and crap were something the value is, not the certifications, but I wouldn't want to get into something you wouldn't understand. M> I may or may not have ADD, but simply you must support the argument Rob states in general since you linked their blog, and in your signature you link the site all the time, and as for the posed question of what I do? (to correct the problems) I do send my feedback along with many other MCT's, I also review courseware as much as my schedule permits. But I will say I am surprised though, about one thing when it comes to you. You still think Microsoft is listening to you. I'm not making fun of that, I just find it interesting -- ..rev "It is the mark of an educated man to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~Aristotle Save 20% off any Microsoft MCP Exam when testing with Pearson VUE. Use Discount code: MSUU7C1E9359 Register on-line @ vue.com
[quoted text, click to view]
"The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeople@gmail.com> wrote in message There you go again. How do you know "most of you" missed Mark's point. news:en89Av#zHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl: > Ah, well I get confused it seems at times. But I think most of you missed > Mark's point. > Did he have a point? Let me make this perfectly clear: I do not care if he is a MVP or not, encouraging someone to use braindumps is wrong. No it is not violating exam NDAs, or even against the law. It is just wrong. Many of these people who come to these newsgroups are seeking help. Promoting the use of braindumps is 1/3 of the reason certifications are in the position they are in. What bothers me the most Stephan is the fact that you are, or claim to be an MCT and you have encouraged (intentionally or not) Mark's practices. Quite frankly it makes me worry for and about your students. -- Michael D. Alligood, MCITP, MCTS, MCSA, MCDST The I.T. Classroom - http://www.theitclassroom.com/ CertGuard, Inc. - http://www.certguard.com
[quoted text, click to view]
"Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basically >> crap. > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of > certifications ARE basically..." Certifications ARE The VALUE of certificationS IS The valueS of certification ARE Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar.
To end this right here (hopefully), Mark, I have pulled the Blog (even though it
made no direct reference to you other than what you wrote). I do understand now the point you were attempting to get across and although I don't agree with the method, I do respect it. My apologies! There are so many other ways to get one's point across, as there were for me to get my point across and I apologize for not taking one of those other avenues. I would, however, like to ask one thing of you. Could you please just not post direct links to braindump sites? That's all I ask. By doing so, at least you're not helping worsen the situation that currently certified individuals have found themselves in the middle of. I'll be leaving now, as I despise these friggin' newsgroups just about as much as you hate certifications. Thanks, -- Robert Williams [CertGuard] [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Rae [MVP]" <mark@markNOSPAMrae.net> wrote in message
news:uMw5#e6zHHA.5476@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > "Robert Williams [CertGuard]" <NewsGroups[at[CertGuard[dot]co_> wrote in > message news:evkriN6zHHA.3600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >> You're *NOT* Serious!!! >> >> You're an MVP and you're promoting Braindumps!!! > > No - quite the reverse! I'm merely giving an example of how easily the > questions and anwers for any MCP can be obtained on the Internet and, > therefore, how utterly worthless MCP "certifications" are... > > > -- > Mark Rae > ASP.NET MVP > http://www.markrae.net
[quoted text, click to view]
On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee=AE" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:= 1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basically > >> crap. > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of > > certifications ARE basically..." > > Certifications ARE > The VALUE of certificationS IS > The valueS of certification ARE If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically worthless. [quoted text, click to view] > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your lexicon. My day is complete.
On Jul 27, 12:10 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com>
[quoted text, click to view] wrote: > On Jul 27, 10:01 am, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" > > > > > > <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee=AE" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in messagen= ews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basic= ally > > > >> crap. > > > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" > > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of > > > > certifications ARE basically..." > > > > Certifications ARE > > > The VALUE of certificationS IS > > > The valueS of certification ARE > > > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically > > worthless. > > > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. > > > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your > > lexicon. My day is complete. > > I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely > immature and utterly useless. > - Show quoted text - If you knew the history, you wouldn't say that.
On Jul 27, 1:01 pm, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]"
[quoted text, click to view] <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee=AE" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenew= s:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is basical= ly > > >> crap. > > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of > > > certifications ARE basically..." > > > Certifications ARE > > The VALUE of certificationS IS > > The valueS of certification ARE > > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically > worthless. "it's" is a contraction for "it is." "its" is the possessive form of "it." I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to say "since it is value is." [quoted text, click to view] > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. > > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your > lexicon. My day is complete. I use the word in special cases now.
On Jul 27, 1:31 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com>
[quoted text, click to view] wrote: > On Jul 27, 10:28 am, Frisbee=AE <bi...@dasi-software.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 27, 1:01 pm, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" > > > <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee=AE" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in messag= enews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is bas= ically > > > > >> crap. > > > > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" > > > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of > > > > > certifications ARE basically..." > > > > > Certifications ARE > > > > The VALUE of certificationS IS > > > > The valueS of certification ARE > > > > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically > > > worthless. > > > "it's" is a contraction for "it is." "its" is the possessive form of > > "it." I'm pretty sure you didn't mean to say "since it is value is." > > > > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. > > > > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your > > > lexicon. My day is complete. > > > I use the word in special cases now. > > The trout are biting today.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Indeed.
did you hear "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> say in
news:OWYwUaE0HHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl: [quoted text, click to view] > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. > TMML (Spelling and grammar humour that Neil gets, oh the irony) -- The InterNeil "V2 w/tabbed browsing & decreased verbosity" MCNGP Triple X
[quoted text, click to view]
On Jul 27, 2:57 pm, "lowdes" <low...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "CBIC" <spam.thisbio...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:uf76OgI0HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > > > "lowdes" <low...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:OuPIrZI0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > >> 2. Wants to fight CBIC behind Caseys. > > > Dude, you've just described half the people in town. > > WOW What the hell is up with 3rd person writing? Do socks have feelings and opinions now?
[quoted text, click to view] "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1185556477.250239.265170@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com... On Jul 27, 12:10 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 27, 10:01 am, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" > > > > > > <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee®" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in > > > messagenews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is > > > >> basically > > > >> crap. > > > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" > > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of > > > > certifications ARE basically..." > > > > Certifications ARE > > > The VALUE of certificationS IS > > > The valueS of certification ARE > > > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically > > worthless. > > > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. > > > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your > > lexicon. My day is complete. > > I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely > immature and utterly useless. > - Show quoted text - >If you knew the history, you wouldn't say that. It is real, the history of lowdes. Lets add some more. I'm glad to see the MCNGP is not with CertGuard. CertGuard makes the MCNGP look good. Remeber the time lowdes did . . . . yes CertGuard you know. Nevermind it wasn't lowdes, it was all his sock puppet penguins.
[quoted text, click to view] "djpimpdaddy" <djpimpdaddy@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1185558430.278122.35680@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com... > Since everyone is in a great mood: Happy System Administrator > Apprecieation Day! > > http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/07/27/1546203.shtml > > or http://tinyurl.com/3c93et for all you MCNGP strict guideline > folks. > > Matt, got a reel? > Is it a coincidence that this falls on my 3 year birthday? I think there are other forces at work here.
[quoted text, click to view] "lowdes [CertGuard]" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%23fTjhnH0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1185556477.250239.265170@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com... > On Jul 27, 12:10 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> On Jul 27, 10:01 am, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" >> >> >> >> >> >> <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee®" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in >> > > messagenews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >> >> > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> >> > > > wrote: >> > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is >> > > >> basically >> > > >> crap. >> >> > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" >> > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of >> > > > certifications ARE basically..." >> >> > > Certifications ARE >> > > The VALUE of certificationS IS >> > > The valueS of certification ARE >> >> > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically >> > worthless. >> >> > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. >> >> > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your >> > lexicon. My day is complete. >> >> I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely >> immature and utterly useless. >> - Show quoted text - > >>If you knew the history, you wouldn't say that. > > It is real, the history of lowdes. > Lets add some more. > > I'm glad to see the MCNGP is not with CertGuard. > CertGuard makes the MCNGP look good. > > Remeber the time lowdes did . . . . yes CertGuard you know. > Nevermind it wasn't lowdes, it was all his sock puppet penguins. > > You are a strange little troll.
Pretty intense thread. I usually don't post to the Usenet groups but
I found this thread highly entertaining. Two things I just wanted to say (I'll keep it short): -Mark: for a MVP, posting links to a braindump site is completely mind blowing. The fact you posted it so many times is really blowing my mind....hope you value your MVP status. Scratch that, you don't obviously. So much so, I doubt the validity of it all. Good luck with keeping your "status". -Rev: I'm confused. You keep replying so obviously you DO care. I just saw your website and...wow...you care about a great many things. One thing that bothers me is your rambling about faith? Are you a Christian? If so, just from reading your blog you are very confused. I live in High Point, so if you want to ever visit my church and gets some knowledge you are most welcome to come. You have a lot of opinions that are so contradictory it just blows my mind. -Certguard guys: Just drop it. Dragging this out isn't helping your case. The sad thing is, egos in the IT world are just getting more and more complex. This thread proves it. Guys, push away from your PCs and get some fresh air. To set the record straight, let's exercise a little bit of common sense. If an employer values certs then there are value in them. I've worked with enough Microsoft Certified Gold partners to prove you wrong.
[quoted text, click to view] "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in message This is the one and only lowdes. news:OuN46xH0HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:OW$MnwH0HHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> "lowdes [CertGuard]" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:%23fTjhnH0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:1185556477.250239.265170@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jul 27, 12:10 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> On Jul 27, 10:01 am, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee®" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in >>>> > > messagenews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>> >>>> > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> >>>> > > > wrote: >>>> > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is >>>> > > >> basically >>>> > > >> crap. >>>> >>>> > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" >>>> > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of >>>> > > > certifications ARE basically..." >>>> >>>> > > Certifications ARE >>>> > > The VALUE of certificationS IS >>>> > > The valueS of certification ARE >>>> >>>> > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS >>>> > basically >>>> > worthless. >>>> >>>> > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. >>>> >>>> > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your >>>> > lexicon. My day is complete. >>>> >>>> I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely >>>> immature and utterly useless. >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >>>>If you knew the history, you wouldn't say that. >>> >>> It is real, the history of lowdes. >>> Lets add some more. >>> >>> I'm glad to see the MCNGP is not with CertGuard. >>> CertGuard makes the MCNGP look good. >>> >>> Remeber the time lowdes did . . . . yes CertGuard you know. >>> Nevermind it wasn't lowdes, it was all his sock puppet penguins. >> >> You are a strange little troll. > > The real one, yes. This is an imposter. Oh, you mean he is, too. > Agreed. > >
[quoted text, click to view]
"CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OW$MnwH0HHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > "lowdes [CertGuard]" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%23fTjhnH0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >> "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1185556477.250239.265170@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >> On Jul 27, 12:10 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> On Jul 27, 10:01 am, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee®" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in >>> > > messagenews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> >>> > > > wrote: >>> > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is >>> > > >> basically >>> > > >> crap. >>> >>> > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" >>> > > > comment you're about to make, it is written "...the value of >>> > > > certifications ARE basically..." >>> >>> > > Certifications ARE >>> > > The VALUE of certificationS IS >>> > > The valueS of certification ARE >>> >>> > If I could give you the MOS Cert I would since it's value IS basically >>> > worthless. >>> >>> > > Irregardless, there's nothing wrong with his grammar. >>> >>> > I'm glad you found it in your heart to add "irregardless" to your >>> > lexicon. My day is complete. >>> >>> I would like to thank CertGuard for making this discussion completely >>> immature and utterly useless. >>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>If you knew the history, you wouldn't say that. >> >> It is real, the history of lowdes. >> Lets add some more. >> >> I'm glad to see the MCNGP is not with CertGuard. >> CertGuard makes the MCNGP look good. >> >> Remeber the time lowdes did . . . . yes CertGuard you know. >> Nevermind it wasn't lowdes, it was all his sock puppet penguins. > > You are a strange little troll. The real one, yes. This is an imposter. Oh, you mean he is, too. Agreed.
[quoted text, click to view]
>>>>> It is real, the history of lowdes. >>>>> Lets add some more. >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad to see the MCNGP is not with CertGuard. >>>>> CertGuard makes the MCNGP look good. >>>>> >>>>> Remeber the time lowdes did . . . . yes CertGuard you know. >>>>> Nevermind it wasn't lowdes, it was all his sock puppet penguins. >>>> >>>> You are a strange little troll. >>> >>> The real one, yes. This is an imposter. Oh, you mean he is, too. >>> Agreed. >>> >>> >> This is the one and only lowdes. > > "it is real" > "remeber" > "penguins" > > Nope. > > Nice try, though. Funny, lowdes needs to prove that it is him. 1. AMCNGP 2. Wants to fight CBIC behind Caseys. I'm not sure what else you need to know.
[quoted text, click to view] "lowdes" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:OuPIrZI0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > 2. Wants to fight CBIC behind Caseys. > Dude, you've just described half the people in town.
[quoted text, click to view] "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uf76OgI0HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "lowdes" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:OuPIrZI0HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > >> 2. Wants to fight CBIC behind Caseys. >> > > Dude, you've just described half the people in town. > WOW
[quoted text, click to view] "lowdes" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:eOVZ25H0HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > "Frisbee®" <billLASTNAME@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:OuN46xH0HHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> "CBIC" <spam.thisbiotch@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:OW$MnwH0HHA.4916@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> >>> "lowdes [CertGuard]" <lowdes@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>> news:%23fTjhnH0HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsripley@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1185556477.250239.265170@l70g2000hse.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Jul 27, 12:10 pm, "mattmich...@gmail.com" <mattmich...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Jul 27, 10:01 am, "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > On Jul 27, 7:06 am, "Frisbee®" <billLASTN...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > > "Taylor S. Ripley [CertGuard]" <tsrip...@gmail.com> wrote in >>>>> > > messagenews:1185521034.420847.8940@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com... >>>>> >>>>> > > > On Jul 26, 10:06 pm, "The Rev [MCT]" >>>>> > > > <ireportbadpeo...@gmail.com> >>>>> > > > wrote: >>>>> > > >> I do however agree ..... that the value of certifications is >>>>> > > >> basically >>>>> > > >> crap. >>>>> >>>>> > > > Only you and Mark agreed on that point. And about the "grammar" >>> |