cat_dog_ass <deepanjan2000-gamma@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ...Microsoft ports the .NET framework to other operating systems? Will
> the only advantage that Java has over .NET be lost?

> I've been a Java programmer and will be shifting to .NET soon. Is this
> a wise choice? Is the learning curve for C# a lot flatter than Java?

Michael A. Covington wrote:

> I'm a little unsure about how you'd use C# on a small embedded
> system. It's a big language and a big framework.

"Michael A. Covington" <look@ai.uga.edu.for.address> wrote in message
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> [...]
> I'm a little unsure about how you'd use C# on a small embedded system.
> It's a big language and a big framework.

> Java has some other advantages:
> 1) It's had many years to get established in a lot of places which
> won't want to change any time soon

> 2) There's a lot more 3rd party support for Java (in terms of open
> source libraries etc)

> 3) Eclipse :)

> 4) Java going open source will open doors in some places, and for a
> long time it's been helpful to be able to debug into the standard
> libraries

> Java has some other advantages:
<snip>
> 3) Eclipse :)

Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

> On Jun 25, 9:01 am, Niels Ull <niels...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Java has some other advantages:
>> > 1) It's had many years to get established in a lot of places which
>> > won't want to change any time soon
>>
>> In addition, the platform support for Java is much larger - you won't see
>> Mono running on mainframes anytime soon.
>
> That's true.
>
> <snip>
>
>> > 3) Eclipse :)
>>
>> Having a free full-featured IDE is definitely a great boost (although I
>> personally prefer IntelliJ Idea for Java development).
>
> I haven't used Idea much, but I've certainly heard great things about
> it. These days of course, there *is* a reasonably fully-featured free
> IDE for C#: Visual C# Express. Unfortunately, it's not *properly*
> fully-featured in my view - no unit testing etc.
>
> As soon as you get into the realm of paying for IDEs, things are more
> complicated. (Personally I think Visual Studio only becomes acceptable
> as a modern IDE when you've got something like ReSharper installed.)
>
>> > 4) Java going open source will open doors in some places, and for a
>> > long time it's been helpful to be able to debug into the standard
>> > libraries
>>
>> I'm not sure how much open sourcing will really change. "In some places"
>> of course, but frankly I don't think most people care all that much as
>> long as it's free.
>
> I think the main difference is that some OS distributions which will
> only accept open source code will be able to bundle Java now. How
> significant that will be remains to be seen, of course.
>
> Oh to be able to see the real code for the .NET libraries though...
> (Yes, there's Reflector, but that's not a decent substitute really.)
>
> Jon

> I haven't used Idea much, but I've certainly heard great things about
> it. These days of course, there *is* a reasonably fully-featured free
> IDE for C#: Visual C# Express. Unfortunately, it's not *properly*
> fully-featured in my view - no unit testing etc.

On Jun 25, 7:48 am, "Ebbe Kristensen" <e...@ekologic.dk> wrote:
> Michael A. Covington wrote:
> > I'm a little unsure about how you'd use C# on a small embedded
> > system. It's a big language and a big framework.
>
> You can use C# with the Compact Framework on Windows CE based embedded
> platforms.

> You won't be able to satisfy hard real-time requirements but
> neither will any Java run-time.

On Jun 25, 9:01 am, Niels Ull <niels...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Java has some other advantages:
> > 1) It's had many years to get established in a lot of places which
> > won't want to change any time soon
>
> In addition, the platform support for Java is much larger - you won't see
> Mono running on mainframes anytime soon.

> > 3) Eclipse :)
>
> Having a free full-featured IDE is definitely a great boost (although I personally
> prefer IntelliJ Idea for Java development).

> > 4) Java going open source will open doors in some places, and for a
> > long time it's been helpful to be able to debug into the standard
> > libraries
>
> I'm not sure how much open sourcing will really change. "In some places"
> of course, but frankly I don't think most people care all that much as long
> as it's free.

> ...Microsoft ports the .NET framework to other operating systems? Will
> the only advantage that Java has over .NET be lost?

> I've been a Java programmer and will be shifting to .NET soon. Is this
> a wise choice? Is the learning curve for C# a lot flatter than Java?

On Jun 25, 9:33 am, "Christof Nordiek" <c...@nospam.de> wrote:

> <snip>
> > 3) Eclipse :)
>
> There is a C#-plugin for Eclipse also. Not sure haow well it works though
> :-)

On 25 Jun, 09:57, Tom Spink <tsp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 9:01 am, Niels Ull <niels...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Java has some other advantages:
> >> > 1) It's had many years to get established in a lot of places which
> >> > won't want to change any time soon
>
> >> In addition, the platform support for Java is much larger - you won't see
> >> Mono running on mainframes anytime soon.
>
> > That's true.
>
> > <snip>
>
> >> > 3) Eclipse :)
>
> >> Having a free full-featured IDE is definitely a great boost (although I
> >> personally prefer IntelliJ Idea for Java development).
>
> > I haven't used Idea much, but I've certainly heard great things about
> > it. These days of course, there *is* a reasonably fully-featured free
> > IDE for C#: Visual C# Express. Unfortunately, it's not *properly*
> > fully-featured in my view - no unit testing etc.
>
> > As soon as you get into the realm of paying for IDEs, things are more
> > complicated. (Personally I think Visual Studio only becomes acceptable
> > as a modern IDE when you've got something like ReSharper installed.)
>
> >> > 4) Java going open source will open doors in some places, and for a
> >> > long time it's been helpful to be able to debug into the standard
> >> > libraries
>
> >> I'm not sure how much open sourcing will really change. "In some places"
> >> of course, but frankly I don't think most people care all that much as
> >> long as it's free.
>
> > I think the main difference is that some OS distributions which will
> > only accept open source code will be able to bundle Java now. How
> > significant that will be remains to be seen, of course.
>
> > Oh to be able to see the real code for the .NET libraries though...
> > (Yes, there's Reflector, but that's not a decent substitute really.)
>
> > Jon
>
> Hi Jon,
>
> > I haven't used Idea much, but I've certainly heard great things about
> > it. These days of course, there *is* a reasonably fully-featured free
> > IDE for C#: Visual C# Express. Unfortunately, it's not *properly*
> > fully-featured in my view - no unit testing etc.
>
> Also, it doesn't run on Linux.
>
> --
> Tom Spink
> University of Edinburgh- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Alberto Poblacion wrote:

> There is the .NET Micro Framework:
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/embedded/bb267253.aspx

cat_dog_ass wrote:
> ...Microsoft ports the .NET framework to other operating systems? Will
> the only advantage that Java has over .NET be lost?

> I've been a Java programmer and will be shifting to .NET soon. Is this
> a wise choice? Is the learning curve for C# a lot flatter than Java?

Christof Nordiek wrote:
> There is a C#-plugin for Eclipse also. Not sure haow well it works though