"Bishoy George" <bishoy@bishoy.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> Is there a way in client side script so that a page can detect whether it
> is opened in a pop up window, a normal window or a tab window?

"Peter Torr (MS)" <ptorr@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> "Bishoy George" <bishoy@bishoy.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi,
>> Is there a way in client side script so that a page can detect whether it
>> is opened in a pop up window, a normal window or a tab window?
>
> Hey,
>
> Usual response to questions like this is "Why do you want to do that?" :-)
>
> Not to be snarky, but because often the intent is something completely
> different (or something impossible...)
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Peter Torr - http://blogs.msdn.com/ptorr
> HD DVD Program Manager
>

"Bishoy George" <bishoy@bishoy.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Peter,
>
> I want my page to detect that it is opened in a popup window or not,
> because I want this page not to be saved.
> I made all measures to prevent saving this secured page.
> One thing is still hindering me: In IE7 when you click on the link to this
> page while pressing CTRL button it opens in a tab window not in a pop up
> window.

"Peter Torr (MS)" <ptorr@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> "Bishoy George" <bishoy@bishoy.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I want my page to detect that it is opened in a popup window or not,
>> because I want this page not to be saved.
>> I made all measures to prevent saving this secured page.
>> One thing is still hindering me: In IE7 when you click on the link to
>> this page while pressing CTRL button it opens in a tab window not in a
>> pop up window.
>
> Hi,
>
> There is no fool-proof way to prevent a page from being saved. What's the
> scenario for not allowing it to be saved? You can definitely make it
> harder for people (at least naive users) to save what's on the screen
> through File-Save.
>
> But if you have some legal requirement or the like, you are out of luck.
>
> Also this isn't really a .NET question; adding some IE groups
>
> Peter
>
> --
> Peter Torr - http://blogs.msdn.com/ptorr
> HD DVD Program Manager
>

> Dear Peter,

> I did it except from the CTRL button problem.

> The Scenario:
> 1- I prevented any browser from displaying the page except IE6 , IE7.

> 2- I disabled right-click and selection.

> 3- I disabled print-screen.

> 4- I prevented the browser from caching the page.

> 5- the name of the page is encrypted by a key and IV that is changed once
> the page is loaded so they are one use only.

> 6- The page comes with Server.Execute() not with Response.Redirect() so the
> previous page name is displayed instead of the real encrypted page name.

> 7- The page is opened in a pop up window to remove the menu bar to disable
> File-Save As

> The only drawback is in IE7 if the user hold the CTRL button while clicking
> the link to this page, it will opens in a tab window instead of opening in a
> pop up window.

> Help me regarding detecting window type if you can please.

Bishoy George wrote:
> 1- I prevented any browser from displaying the page except IE6 , IE7.

> 2- I disabled right-click and selection.
> 3- I disabled print-screen.

> 4- I prevented the browser from caching the page.

> 5- the name of the page is encrypted by a key and IV that
> is changed once the page is loaded so they are one use only.

> 6- The page comes with Server.Execute() not with
> Response.Redirect() so the previous page name is displayed
> instead of the real encrypted page name.

> 7- The page is opened in a pop up window to remove the menu
> bar to disable File-Save As

> The only drawback is in IE7 if the user hold the CTRL
> button while clicking the link to this page, it will
> opens in a tab window instead of opening in a pop up
> window.

"Randy Webb" <HikksNotAtHome@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Bishoy George said the following on 4/15/2006 8:17 AM in
> microsoft.public.scripting.jscript:
>> Dear Peter,
>
> This is Usenet, not email.
>
>> I did it except from the CTRL button problem.
>
> "How do I protect my Javascript Code"
> <URL: http://jibbering.com/faq/#FAQ4_1 >
>
> The same principle applies to protecting your HTML code.
>
>> The Scenario:
>> 1- I prevented any browser from displaying the page except IE6 , IE7.
>
> And how do you think you managed that?
>
>> 2- I disabled right-click and selection.
>
> Open page.
> Minimize Browser
> Open Second Browser window.
> Disable Scripting.
> Bring up browser window with webpage.
> Right Click> View Source
>
> Before anyone brings up "Fullscreen", even if you manage that, I have dual
> monitors and can do anything I want on the second monitor independent of
> the main monitor - you can't stop me.
>
>> 3- I disabled print-screen.
>
> Open page.
> Resize so that you have some desktop visible.
> Point the mouse at the desktop.
> Print Screen.
>
>> 4- I prevented the browser from caching the page.
>
> The page will still be in the cache as long as it is open.
>
> Open Page
> Minimize browser
> Open Cache
>
>> 5- the name of the page is encrypted by a key and IV that is changed once
>> the page is loaded so they are one use only.
>
> Irrelevant to stopping the page from being saved.
>
>> 6- The page comes with Server.Execute() not with Response.Redirect() so
>> the previous page name is displayed instead of the real encrypted page
>> name.
>
> I don't need the "real encrypted page name", if I want the page itself,
> it's filename is irrelevant.
>
>> 7- The page is opened in a pop up window to remove the menu bar to
>> disable File-Save As
>
> Control-N
>
> If you manage to trap that, see above to disable scripting. Then Control-N
> and you have your toolbars back.
>
>> The only drawback is in IE7 if the user hold the CTRL button while
>> clicking the link to this page, it will opens in a tab window instead of
>> opening in a pop up window.
>
> The major drawback is that you are trying to force the way the browsers
> work when you can't.
>
>> Help me regarding detecting window type if you can please.
>
> You can't.
>
> If you don't want it saved, don't put it on the web.
>
> --
> Randy
> comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq & newsgroup weekly
> Javascript Best Practices -
> http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

>
>Dear Randy,
>
>You are a little bit furious even on the Dear word, keep calm my dear.
>Most of your answers take each point aside not as a whole.
>
>1- Preventing specific browser is easy by the .net
>Page.Request.Browser.Type

> Dear Randy,
>
> You are a little bit furious even on the Dear word, keep calm my dear.

> Most of your answers take each point aside not as a whole.
>
> 1- Preventing specific browser is easy by the .net
> Page.Request.Browser.Type

> 2-, 3- your answers didn't work with my page OR may be I did't know how to
> make it OR may be IE requires you to close all its windows and reopen them
> again.

> 2- I disabled right-click and selection.

> 3- I disabled print-screen.

> 4- You are right.

> 5- You are wrong. Because it prevented the page from reopen by CTRL-N

> 6- It is only a masking way

> 7- return to 5-.

> Go to http://testarea.nagyresearch.com and make an account for you and I
> will show you my secured claimed to be unsavable(except with IE7) page.

"Randy Webb" <HikksNotAtHome@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Bishoy George said the following on 4/16/2006 at 8:38 AM in
> news:microsoft.public.scripting.jscript or somewhere close to there:
>
>> Dear Randy,
>>
>> You are a little bit furious even on the Dear word, keep calm my dear.
>
> Me, furious about Usenet? Surely you jest. There is nothing in Usenet
> worth getting furious about.
>
>> Most of your answers take each point aside not as a whole.
>>
>> 1- Preventing specific browser is easy by the .net
>> Page.Request.Browser.Type
>
> Is that why you page says this:
>
> Your browser is IE6!
>
> Be very very careful before you answer that.
>

>>> I know that there may be misleading to the server. They say that FireFox
>>> may appear to the server as IE6 or IE7.
>>> But yes, I use Page.Request.Browser.Type for knowing your browser type.

>> 2-, 3- your answers didn't work with my page OR may be I did't know how
>> to make it OR may be IE requires you to close all its windows and reopen
>> them again.
>
> Perhaps if you quoted what you are replying to it would be easier to know
> what 2 and 3 were. Even OE has the ability to quote what you are replying
> to.
>
> Ahh, here they are:
>
> <quote>
> > 2- I disabled right-click and selection.
>
> Open page.
> Minimize Browser
> Open Second Browser window.
> Disable Scripting.
> Bring up browser window with webpage.
> Right Click> View Source
>
>
> > 3- I disabled print-screen.
>
> <quote>
>
> If 2 doesn't work for you, then something is set different in your IE6
> from mine. I know that 3 works on *any* browser because the print-screen
> is a Windows function and not the browser itself. Move your browser window
> over so you can see an icon on your desktop. Then, click an icon on your
> desktop and hit print-screen. Or, use any popular screen printing
> utility - they are a dime a dozen on the web.
>

>>> I'd like to ask you how to disable scripting???

>> 4- You are right.
>
> Being right on #4 alone means you haven't stopped the page from being
> saved, only made it minimally more difficult is all.
>
>> 5- You are wrong. Because it prevented the page from reopen by CTRL-N
>
> OK, irrelevant to me because you can't open a window on my PC without tool
> bars so I very seldom ever have to do a control-N
>
>> 6- It is only a masking way
>
> Fair enough.
>
>> 7- return to 5-.
>
> See 5 above.
>
>> Go to http://testarea.nagyresearch.com and make an account for you and I
>> will show you my secured claimed to be unsavable(except with IE7) page.
>
> I applied, it let me have a username but I don't think I will get the
> email at humptydumpty@google.com so I won't be able to log in.
>
> But, to be totally fair, I don't think a lot of your visitors will be
> savvy enough to get around what little bit of security you have
> considering most of them would be medical researchers and not scripters.
>
> Be aware though that a proxy server that is decent will stop you from
> removing my toolbars......
>
> --
> Randy
> comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq & newsgroup weekly
> Javascript Best Practices -
> http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

> Hi Randy,
> I activated the account you made.
> As you said, I quoted your answers. My answers will start with >>>.
>
> "Randy Webb" <HikksNotAtHome@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Bishoy George said the following on 4/16/2006 at 8:38 AM in
>> news:microsoft.public.scripting.jscript or somewhere close to there:
>>
>>> Dear Randy,
>>>
>>> You are a little bit furious even on the Dear word, keep calm my dear.
>> Me, furious about Usenet? Surely you jest. There is nothing in Usenet
>> worth getting furious about.
>>
>>> Most of your answers take each point aside not as a whole.
>>>
>>> 1- Preventing specific browser is easy by the .net
>>> Page.Request.Browser.Type
>> Is that why you page says this:
>>
>> Your browser is IE6!
>>
>> Be very very careful before you answer that.
>>
>
>
>>>> I know that there may be misleading to the server. They say that FireFox
>>>> may appear to the server as IE6 or IE7.
>>>> But yes, I use Page.Request.Browser.Type for knowing your browser type.

>>>> I'd like to ask you how to disable scripting???

>> But, to be totally fair, I don't think a lot of your visitors will be
>> savvy enough to get around what little bit of security you have
>> considering most of them would be medical researchers and not scripters.

"Randy Webb" <HikksNotAtHome@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Bishoy George said the following on 4/17/2006 4:13 AM:
>> Hi Randy,
>> I activated the account you made.
>> As you said, I quoted your answers. My answers will start with >>>.
>>
>> "Randy Webb" <HikksNotAtHome@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:R-OdncgNZNCKdt_ZRVn-vA@comcast.com...
>>> Bishoy George said the following on 4/16/2006 at 8:38 AM in
>>> news:microsoft.public.scripting.jscript or somewhere close to there:
>>>
>>>> Dear Randy,
>>>>
>>>> You are a little bit furious even on the Dear word, keep calm my dear.
>>> Me, furious about Usenet? Surely you jest. There is nothing in Usenet
>>> worth getting furious about.
>>>
>>>> Most of your answers take each point aside not as a whole.
>>>>
>>>> 1- Preventing specific browser is easy by the .net
>>>> Page.Request.Browser.Type
>>> Is that why you page says this:
>>>
>>> Your browser is IE6!
>>>
>>> Be very very careful before you answer that.
>>>
>>
>>
>>>>> I know that there may be misleading to the server. They say that
>>>>> FireFox may appear to the server as IE6 or IE7.
>>>>> But yes, I use Page.Request.Browser.Type for knowing your browser
>>>>> type.
>
> It wasn't Firefox but if you want, I can give you the exact UA string it
> is using.
>
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322;
> .NET CLR 2.0.50727)
>
> It is an exact copy of a UA string from IE6 but unless you get into some
> really really serious object detection you won't be able to tell the
> difference - especially not from the UA string. I can just as easily make
> it say "My F**king browser"(I did that for a while just for kicks but my
> toolbar in IE does say "Randys Browser"). Editing the Registry is fun
> sometimes :)
>
> But as I said before, what you are doing is probably safe enough for your
> visitors.
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>> I'd like to ask you how to disable scripting???
>
> I have a simple add on button I click that enables/disables scripting but
> in IE6 it is Tools>Internet Options>Security Tab>Advanced and scroll to
> the bottom. There are 3 or 4 of them to enable/disable.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> But, to be totally fair, I don't think a lot of your visitors will be
>>> savvy enough to get around what little bit of security you have
>>> considering most of them would be medical researchers and not scripters.
>
> I said the above and am leaving that part of what I said intact because
> the methods you use probably are secure enough for medical researchers.
>
> --
> Randy
> comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq & newsgroup weekly
> Javascript Best Practices -
> http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

> Still you didn't answer my original question...
> How to detect window type (-normal -tab -popup) with the page code.

"Bishoy George" <bishoy@bishoy.com> wrote in message
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> Help me regarding detecting window type if you can please.