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I'm so confused... :-)
Perhaps somebody would point me in the right direction. I was planning to write a simple applet to display database records. It's a large database (in terms of number of rows) but it isn't complex. It only has a couple of tables and the data is read-only. I program for a living, I'm familiar with ..Net and some time ago I wrote some Java applets so I thought rather than use ASP or ASP.Net I thought I would create an applet. Due to limitations on the website I have available I won't have SQL-Server. I can easily configure it (the site) to use MS-Access but if there is an alternative I'd like to hear about it. I might have MySQL available I'm going to check. If I write this thing in J# will the majority of people be able to run it? People using IE only? Do they have to download/install the .Net runtime? Would it run in Netscape or another browser? Am I doing the right thing :-) I can't quite figure out where J# fits into things. The application code will download from a website right? No direct installation required, etc., etc.? Is it generally operating like Java? Thanks, Tom
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Tom Leylan wrote: In either case, the users may have to download software:> I'm so confused... :-) > > Perhaps somebody would point me in the right direction. I was planning to > write a simple applet to display database records. It's a large database > (in terms of number of rows) but it isn't complex. It only has a couple of > tables and the data is read-only. I program for a living, I'm familiar with > .Net and some time ago I wrote some Java applets so I thought rather than > use ASP or ASP.Net I thought I would create an applet. > > Due to limitations on the website I have available I won't have SQL-Server. > I can easily configure it (the site) to use MS-Access but if there is an > alternative I'd like to hear about it. I might have MySQL available I'm > going to check. > > If I write this thing in J# will the majority of people be able to run it? > People using IE only? Do they have to download/install the .Net runtime? > Would it run in Netscape or another browser? Am I doing the right thing :-) > > I can't quite figure out where J# fits into things. The application code > will download from a website right? No direct installation required, etc., > etc.? Is it generally operating like Java? > > Thanks, > Tom > > > J# browser control: - .net framework - j# redistributable - j# broswer control (not sure if this includes j# redistributable As far as I know such an applet will only work in IE on Windows, I could be wrong. Java: - Java runtime from sun (because MS won't/cannot distribute it anymore) This will work on most any platform and most any browser. In my opinion, J# is targeted at those who would like to migrate Java to ..net, but I think they are more thinking of back-end J2EE stuff. There is no real evidence to me that J# is being really pushed as an applet technology (although it is theoretically possible to make an applet in J#). I think if you are looking for the least pain for your users, I would say Java for an applet. The absolute least pain for users is not to use an applet at all, but have the web server do all the work. Sounds like you may not need an actual applet for what you are trying to do. This may all change in a few years if all windows machines ship pre-installed with .net. But until then, asking your users to install ..net is no more polite than asking them to install java.
"Ken Larson" <kendotlarson@mindspring.com> wrote...
Thanks for the information... and your thoughts. [quoted text, click to view] > I think if you are looking for the least pain for your users, I would > say Java for an applet. The absolute least pain for users is not to use > an applet at all, but have the web server do all the work. Sounds like > you may not need an actual applet for what you are trying to do. What I like about the applet is that I get a complete little application not some series of webpages. I get my real-time stock information in a java applet and I don't see any advantage to that being done in a web page. I agree that there isn't anything compelling about the service that requires a Java applet but that (as always) is "for now." No doubt that (upon it working well) the requirements and level of sophistication needed will change. [quoted text, click to view] > This may all change in a few years if all windows machines ship > pre-installed with .net. But until then, asking your users to install > .net is no more polite than asking them to install java. I don't know how it is these days, Java got loaded so long ago but as I recall installing the Java runtime was fairly quick and painless. The difference is of course that asking them to load .Net if they aren't running Windows is problematic :-) Thanks again, Tom
"Ike" <rxv@hotmail.com> wrote...
[quoted text, click to view] > My suggestion is to do this server side (ASP/JSP/PHP....I recommend the > last, php as it seems to be the most platform-independent). -Ike Appreciate the response Ike. If I end up doing it in ASP it will be either ASP or ASP.Net. I don't need platform independence on the server, it's going to run on a Windows server I know that for a fact. Tom
"Lars-Inge Tønnessen" <http://emailme.larsinge.com> wrote...
[quoted text, click to view] > Please watch Brians Video. =:o) http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20031114jsharpbk/manifest.xml> Mange tak din hjaelp (kan du forsta Danske) :-) In any case... interesting video. I immediately downloaded the browser control and attempted two conversions. One worked the other didn't. The one that worked is very simple not unlike the demo. The one that didn't has a pop-up controller window in addition to the applet window. I don't know if that didn't translate well but all I got was an outline of the area where the applet would appear but it never displays. I might go for ASP.Net, designing nice screens in HTML is always a chore for me though. Tom
My suggestion is to do this server side (ASP/JSP/PHP....I recommend the
last, php as it seems to be the most platform-independent). -Ike [quoted text, click to view] "Tom Leylan" <gee@iamtiredofspam.com> wrote in message news:OCWwjdt2DHA.2680@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > I'm so confused... :-) > > Perhaps somebody would point me in the right direction. I was planning to > write a simple applet to display database records. It's a large database > (in terms of number of rows) but it isn't complex. It only has a couple of > tables and the data is read-only. I program for a living, I'm familiar with > .Net and some time ago I wrote some Java applets so I thought rather than > use ASP or ASP.Net I thought I would create an applet. > > Due to limitations on the website I have available I won't have SQL-Server. > I can easily configure it (the site) to use MS-Access but if there is an > alternative I'd like to hear about it. I might have MySQL available I'm > going to check. > > If I write this thing in J# will the majority of people be able to run it? > People using IE only? Do they have to download/install the .Net runtime? > Would it run in Netscape or another browser? Am I doing the right thing :-) > > I can't quite figure out where J# fits into things. The application code > will download from a website right? No direct installation required, etc., > etc.? Is it generally operating like Java? > > Thanks, > Tom > > >
Please watch Brians Video. =:o)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdntv/episode.aspx?xml=episodes/en/20031114jsharpbk/manifest.xml http://msdn.microsoft.com/vjsharp/downloads/browsercontrols/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en-us/dv_vstechart/html/vjtskMigratingJavaAppletsToMicrosoftJBrowserControls.asp -- Regards, Lars-Inge Tonnessen http://emailme.larsinge.com http://www.larsinge.com
Please use ASP.Net on a Win2003 Server.
- ASP.Net automatically detects and recovers from deadlocks and other errors. - Compiled execution and cached in memory (ASP is interpreted on each request) - Fast access to databases (caching from memory). - Crash protection. - Very easy to program, you don't have to learn any new language. - Automatic object persistence - Take full advantage of the IIS 6.0 (like cookies or no cookies, security, etc...) - Easy to integrate with Web Services (your own or like Google and Amazon). - Easy to deploy on a 64 bit hardware server if you have to later. - Scalability/Clustering - More secure than ASP - Resource accounting - Isolate web applications in individual processes to eg communicate with the OS kernel directly. - Pooling ASP.Net can give you over 4 times the throughput* than ASP can do on a 8 CPU server. * http://gotdotnet.com/team/compare/nileperf.aspx -- Regards, Lars-Inge Tonnessen http://emailme.larsinge.com http://www.larsinge.com
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