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What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component Services for COM+? I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or framework - which? Thomas
Hi,
I did formulate my question well, what I was thinking: Is there a tool for managing non-serviced .Net components. Is it even advisable to run middle tier components ouside COM+ and what are the problems? "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in message news:uQVmngWoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at Start -> > Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services > should provide all of that. > > -- > - Paul Glavich > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > > > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > Hi, > > > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component Services > > for COM+? > > > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or > > framework - which? > > > > Thomas > > > > > >
The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at Start ->
Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services should provide all of that. -- - Paul Glavich Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET [quoted text, click to view] "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component Services > for COM+? > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or > framework - which? > > Thomas > >
In short, no. There's no tool to view or manage non-serviced .NET
components. Yes it is fine to run middle tier objects outside of COM+. COM+ usages requires COM interop calls so there's a performance hit. Many do not recommend using COM+/Enterprise Services unless you truly need some of the services its provides such as: 1) Distributed Transactions - your application needs to update multiple databases in a transaction. 2) Object Pooling - for performance you want to have several instances of an object handling clients. 3) Declarative transaction management - you do not want to handle transaction mgmt in your code and want to be able to configure it a deployment or declaratively with attributes. This article has a nice table summarizing the services provide by COM+: Using COM+ Service in .NET http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/comservnet.asp?frame=true Thanks, Sam -- _______________________________ Sam Santiago ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com http://www.SoftiTechture.com _______________________________ [quoted text, click to view] "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message news:uc5Eu6XoEHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > I did formulate my question well, what I was thinking: Is there a tool for > managing non-serviced .Net components. Is it even advisable to run middle > tier components ouside COM+ and what are the problems? > > "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in > message news:uQVmngWoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at Start -> > > Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services > > should provide all of that. > > > > -- > > - Paul Glavich > > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > > > > > > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > > news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > > Hi, > > > > > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component > Services > > > for COM+? > > > > > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or > > > framework - which? > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > >
Allright, undocumented feature and you didn't hear this from me. It is
possible, write your own IUnknown to expose a programmatic interface to check the reference count. .. actually, in QueryInterface, if you write some hacking code, then when IE downloads an activeX control and popsup that dialog to prompt you to install with an invalid certificate, you could have theoretically already run weird code on the system without the user knowing it (I am pretty sure this works since I have tried it though I am surprised why nobody has used this as a hack exploit yet, but the last time I tried it was on Win98, maybe things are different now - though I'd be really surprised !!). For all practical purposes - not possible. Especially if you are using the standard ATL VC++ or VB 6 way to create a COM component. Those methods wrap a COM component so well that you never deal with IUnknown implementation at it's base level. ... to answer your other question --- I like to use COM+ when I am interoping. THis simply because COM's memory management leaves a lot to be desired (Reference counts isn't perfect, especially when references can get circular), so with COM+ I can pool instances and I can put an upper limit on the number of instances hence prevent an infinite memory leak to control damage basically. Also, a rogue COM component can be simply disabled, and well things can be easily exposed thru SOAP, things can be put in MTS to make a distributed package, transaction features can be used .. it's a lot of good features in an enterprise environment. What's more, all of these can be done programatically, declratively and administratively .. and that's just awesome dude !! This is one of those things that has as many views as many developers, but I for one am a big proponent of COM+/Enterprise Services in general. - Sahil Malik You can reach me thru my blog at http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/sahilmalik [quoted text, click to view] "Sam Santiago" <ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com> wrote in message news:u5Jl%23NgoEHA.1608@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > In short, no. There's no tool to view or manage non-serviced .NET > components. Yes it is fine to run middle tier objects outside of COM+. > COM+ usages requires COM interop calls so there's a performance hit. Many > do not recommend using COM+/Enterprise Services unless you truly need some > of the services its provides such as: > > 1) Distributed Transactions - your application needs to update multiple > databases in a transaction. > 2) Object Pooling - for performance you want to have several instances of > an object handling clients. > 3) Declarative transaction management - you do not want to handle > transaction mgmt in your code and want to be able to configure it a > deployment or declaratively with attributes. > > This article has a nice table summarizing the services provide by COM+: > > Using COM+ Service in .NET > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/comservnet.asp?frame=true > > Thanks, > > Sam > -- > _______________________________ > Sam Santiago > ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com > http://www.SoftiTechture.com > _______________________________ > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > news:uc5Eu6XoEHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > Hi, > > > > I did formulate my question well, what I was thinking: Is there a tool for > > managing non-serviced .Net components. Is it even advisable to run middle > > tier components ouside COM+ and what are the problems? > > > > "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in > > message news:uQVmngWoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > > The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at Start -> > > > Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services > > > should provide all of that. > > > > > > -- > > > - Paul Glavich > > > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > > > > > > > > > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > > > news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component > > Services > > > > for COM+? > > > > > > > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or > > > > framework - which? > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Hi,
How about WMI instrumentation? would that work as an interface for querying runtime information for .Net servers? IIS 6 has som of the functions I'm looking for - like recycling. Are any MS ..Net server products running as non-serviced servers today? Perhaps that is something to learn from? Thomas [quoted text, click to view] "Sahil Malik" <contactmethrumyblog@nospam.com> wrote in message news:ex13AknoEHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > Allright, undocumented feature and you didn't hear this from me. It is > possible, write your own IUnknown to expose a programmatic interface to > check the reference count. .. actually, in QueryInterface, if you write > some > hacking code, then when IE downloads an activeX control and popsup that > dialog to prompt you to install with an invalid certificate, you could > have > theoretically already run weird code on the system without the user > knowing > it (I am pretty sure this works since I have tried it though I am > surprised > why nobody has used this as a hack exploit yet, but the last time I tried > it > was on Win98, maybe things are different now - though I'd be really > surprised !!). > > For all practical purposes - not possible. Especially if you are using the > standard ATL VC++ or VB 6 way to create a COM component. Those methods > wrap > a COM component so well that you never deal with IUnknown implementation > at > it's base level. > > .. to answer your other question --- > > I like to use COM+ when I am interoping. THis simply because COM's memory > management leaves a lot to be desired (Reference counts isn't perfect, > especially when references can get circular), so with COM+ I can pool > instances and I can put an upper limit on the number of instances hence > prevent an infinite memory leak to control damage basically. Also, a rogue > COM component can be simply disabled, and well things can be easily > exposed > thru SOAP, things can be put in MTS to make a distributed package, > transaction features can be used .. it's a lot of good features in an > enterprise environment. What's more, all of these can be done > programatically, declratively and administratively .. and that's just > awesome dude !! > > This is one of those things that has as many views as many developers, but > I > for one am a big proponent of COM+/Enterprise Services in general. > > - Sahil Malik > You can reach me thru my blog at > http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/sahilmalik > > > > "Sam Santiago" <ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com> wrote in message > news:u5Jl%23NgoEHA.1608@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... >> In short, no. There's no tool to view or manage non-serviced .NET >> components. Yes it is fine to run middle tier objects outside of COM+. >> COM+ usages requires COM interop calls so there's a performance hit. >> Many >> do not recommend using COM+/Enterprise Services unless you truly need >> some >> of the services its provides such as: >> >> 1) Distributed Transactions - your application needs to update multiple >> databases in a transaction. >> 2) Object Pooling - for performance you want to have several instances > of >> an object handling clients. >> 3) Declarative transaction management - you do not want to handle >> transaction mgmt in your code and want to be able to configure it a >> deployment or declaratively with attributes. >> >> This article has a nice table summarizing the services provide by COM+: >> >> Using COM+ Service in .NET >> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/comservnet.asp?frame=true >> >> Thanks, >> >> Sam >> -- >> _______________________________ >> Sam Santiago >> ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com >> http://www.SoftiTechture.com >> _______________________________ >> "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message >> news:uc5Eu6XoEHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> > Hi, >> > >> > I did formulate my question well, what I was thinking: Is there a tool > for >> > managing non-serviced .Net components. Is it even advisable to run > middle >> > tier components ouside COM+ and what are the problems? >> > >> > "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in >> > message news:uQVmngWoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> > > The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at >> > > Start -> >> > > Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services >> > > should provide all of that. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > - Paul Glavich >> > > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET >> > > >> > > >> > > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message >> > > news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component >> > Services >> > > > for COM+? >> > > > >> > > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or >> > > > framework - which? >> > > > >> > > > Thomas >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > >
Hi,
What kind of VS projects are the servers - Windows Service? Remoting Servers? Console servers? Does your .Net assemblies run in IIS inside/dllhost? Thomas "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in message news:OUHaD6hpEHA.3988@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > WMI can provide general information on runtime information. If you want > something specific, you will probably need to write WMI specific code to > output the metric information you require. Certainly doable, just more work. > > Also, we run middle tier components outside of COM+ all the time. MS petshop > implementation also did this for performance reasons. It really depends on > what you require. > > -- > - Paul Glavich > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > > > "Thomas Nielsen" <tni@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:OYoz3T0oEHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > > Hi, > > > > How about WMI instrumentation? would that work as an interface for > querying > > runtime information for .Net servers? > > > > IIS 6 has som of the functions I'm looking for - like recycling. Are any > MS > > .Net server products running as non-serviced servers today? Perhaps that > is > > something to learn from? > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > "Sahil Malik" <contactmethrumyblog@nospam.com> wrote in message > > news:ex13AknoEHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > > Allright, undocumented feature and you didn't hear this from me. It is > > > possible, write your own IUnknown to expose a programmatic interface to > > > check the reference count. .. actually, in QueryInterface, if you write > > > some > > > hacking code, then when IE downloads an activeX control and popsup that > > > dialog to prompt you to install with an invalid certificate, you could > > > have > > > theoretically already run weird code on the system without the user > > > knowing > > > it (I am pretty sure this works since I have tried it though I am > > > surprised > > > why nobody has used this as a hack exploit yet, but the last time I > tried > > > it > > > was on Win98, maybe things are different now - though I'd be really > > > surprised !!). > > > > > > For all practical purposes - not possible. Especially if you are using > the > > > standard ATL VC++ or VB 6 way to create a COM component. Those methods > > > wrap > > > a COM component so well that you never deal with IUnknown implementation > > > at > > > it's base level. > > > > > > .. to answer your other question --- > > > > > > I like to use COM+ when I am interoping. THis simply because COM's > memory > > > management leaves a lot to be desired (Reference counts isn't perfect, > > > especially when references can get circular), so with COM+ I can pool > > > instances and I can put an upper limit on the number of instances hence > > > prevent an infinite memory leak to control damage basically. Also, a > rogue > > > COM component can be simply disabled, and well things can be easily > > > exposed > > > thru SOAP, things can be put in MTS to make a distributed package, > > > transaction features can be used .. it's a lot of good features in an > > > enterprise environment. What's more, all of these can be done > > > programatically, declratively and administratively .. and that's just > > > awesome dude !! > > > > > > This is one of those things that has as many views as many developers, > but > > > I > > > for one am a big proponent of COM+/Enterprise Services in general. > > > > > > - Sahil Malik > > > You can reach me thru my blog at > > > http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/sahilmalik > > > > > > > > > > > > "Sam Santiago" <ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com> wrote in message > > > news:u5Jl%23NgoEHA.1608@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > > >> In short, no. There's no tool to view or manage non-serviced .NET > > >> components. Yes it is fine to run middle tier objects outside of COM+. > > >> COM+ usages requires COM interop calls so there's a performance hit. > > >> Many > > >> do not recommend using COM+/Enterprise Services unless you truly need > > >> some > > >> of the services its provides such as: > > >> > > >> 1) Distributed Transactions - your application needs to update > multiple > > >> databases in a transaction. > > >> 2) Object Pooling - for performance you want to have several > instances > > > of > > >> an object handling clients. > > >> 3) Declarative transaction management - you do not want to handle > > >> transaction mgmt in your code and want to be able to configure it a > > >> deployment or declaratively with attributes. > > >> > > >> This article has a nice table summarizing the services provide by COM+: > > >> > > >> Using COM+ Service in .NET > > >> > > > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/comservnet.asp?frame=true > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> Sam > > >> -- > > >> _______________________________ > > >> Sam Santiago > > >> ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com > > >> http://www.SoftiTechture.com > > >> _______________________________ > > >> "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > > >> news:uc5Eu6XoEHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > >> > Hi, > > >> > > > >> > I did formulate my question well, what I was thinking: Is there a > tool > > > for > > >> > managing non-serviced .Net components. Is it even advisable to run > > > middle > > >> > tier components ouside COM+ and what are the problems? > > >> > > > >> > "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in > > >> > message news:uQVmngWoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > >> > > The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at > > >> > > Start -> > > >> > > Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services > > >> > > should provide all of that. > > >> > > > > >> > > -- > > >> > > - Paul Glavich > > >> > > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > > >> > > news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > > >> > > > Hi, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component > > >> > Services > > >> > > > for COM+? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool > or > > >> > > > framework - which? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Thomas > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >
WMI can provide general information on runtime information. If you want
something specific, you will probably need to write WMI specific code to output the metric information you require. Certainly doable, just more work. Also, we run middle tier components outside of COM+ all the time. MS petshop implementation also did this for performance reasons. It really depends on what you require. -- - Paul Glavich Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET [quoted text, click to view] "Thomas Nielsen" <tni@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:OYoz3T0oEHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > How about WMI instrumentation? would that work as an interface for querying > runtime information for .Net servers? > > IIS 6 has som of the functions I'm looking for - like recycling. Are any MS > .Net server products running as non-serviced servers today? Perhaps that is > something to learn from? > > Thomas > > > > > "Sahil Malik" <contactmethrumyblog@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:ex13AknoEHA.3340@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > Allright, undocumented feature and you didn't hear this from me. It is > > possible, write your own IUnknown to expose a programmatic interface to > > check the reference count. .. actually, in QueryInterface, if you write > > some > > hacking code, then when IE downloads an activeX control and popsup that > > dialog to prompt you to install with an invalid certificate, you could > > have > > theoretically already run weird code on the system without the user > > knowing > > it (I am pretty sure this works since I have tried it though I am > > surprised > > why nobody has used this as a hack exploit yet, but the last time I tried > > it > > was on Win98, maybe things are different now - though I'd be really > > surprised !!). > > > > For all practical purposes - not possible. Especially if you are using the > > standard ATL VC++ or VB 6 way to create a COM component. Those methods > > wrap > > a COM component so well that you never deal with IUnknown implementation > > at > > it's base level. > > > > .. to answer your other question --- > > > > I like to use COM+ when I am interoping. THis simply because COM's memory > > management leaves a lot to be desired (Reference counts isn't perfect, > > especially when references can get circular), so with COM+ I can pool > > instances and I can put an upper limit on the number of instances hence > > prevent an infinite memory leak to control damage basically. Also, a rogue > > COM component can be simply disabled, and well things can be easily > > exposed > > thru SOAP, things can be put in MTS to make a distributed package, > > transaction features can be used .. it's a lot of good features in an > > enterprise environment. What's more, all of these can be done > > programatically, declratively and administratively .. and that's just > > awesome dude !! > > > > This is one of those things that has as many views as many developers, but > > I > > for one am a big proponent of COM+/Enterprise Services in general. > > > > - Sahil Malik > > You can reach me thru my blog at > > http://www.dotnetjunkies.com/weblog/sahilmalik > > > > > > > > "Sam Santiago" <ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com> wrote in message > > news:u5Jl%23NgoEHA.1608@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > >> In short, no. There's no tool to view or manage non-serviced .NET > >> components. Yes it is fine to run middle tier objects outside of COM+. > >> COM+ usages requires COM interop calls so there's a performance hit. > >> Many > >> do not recommend using COM+/Enterprise Services unless you truly need > >> some > >> of the services its provides such as: > >> > >> 1) Distributed Transactions - your application needs to update multiple > >> databases in a transaction. > >> 2) Object Pooling - for performance you want to have several instances > > of > >> an object handling clients. > >> 3) Declarative transaction management - you do not want to handle > >> transaction mgmt in your code and want to be able to configure it a > >> deployment or declaratively with attributes. > >> > >> This article has a nice table summarizing the services provide by COM+: > >> > >> Using COM+ Service in .NET > >> > > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dndotnet/html/comservnet.asp?frame=true > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Sam > >> -- > >> _______________________________ > >> Sam Santiago > >> ssantiago@n0spam-SoftiTechture.com > >> http://www.SoftiTechture.com > >> _______________________________ > >> "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > >> news:uc5Eu6XoEHA.2068@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I did formulate my question well, what I was thinking: Is there a tool > > for > >> > managing non-serviced .Net components. Is it even advisable to run > > middle > >> > tier components ouside COM+ and what are the problems? > >> > > >> > "Paul Glavich [MVP - ASP.NET]" <glav@aspalliance.com-NOSPAM> wrote in > >> > message news:uQVmngWoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > >> > > The Component Services MMC snap in that is usually located at > >> > > Start -> > >> > > Programs -> Administrative Tools -> Component Services > >> > > should provide all of that. > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > - Paul Glavich > >> > > Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "Thomas" <thomas@corpuslogic.com> wrote in message > >> > > news:eIssHJRoEHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > >> > > > Hi, > >> > > > > >> > > > What is the tool for managing .Net components much like Component > >> > Services > >> > > > for COM+? > >> > > > > >> > > > I want to see # in call, call times and # instances with a tool or > >> > > > framework - which? > >> > > > > >> > > > Thomas > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > >
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