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discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much trickier proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. -- There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't. http://code.acadx.com (Pull the pin to reply)
Frank,
Are you referring to VB6 and before, or VB.NET? If referring to VB.NET, it should be noted that VB.NET is not interpreted, but rather, it is compiled into the same format as any other .NET compliant language, which is intermediate language (IL). -- - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP] - mvp@spam.guard.caspershouse.com [quoted text, click to view] "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much trickier > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. > > -- > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > don't. > > http://code.acadx.com > (Pull the pin to reply) > >
[quoted text, click to view] "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much trickier > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. > From my current understanding, the CLR team has added(or is adding) E&C support to the systems underpinnings for the whidbey era release, but it is up to each individual language team to add support into their ide and their language. Everything I've read has suggested that VB will support it, but the C# team doesn't consider it something that their customer base needs and will postpone support for a later release, Orcas or maybe later, hopefully allowing them to put more work into valuable added features(like the fixed statement in structures, iterators, etc) over a paradigm that the majority of the community seems to be against. However, this is not definate or even certainly correct. However if you look through the PDC CLR presentations, I recall there being atleast one slide that discusses the changes to the runtime to support edit & continue. I'll post a reply when I have time to find the slides I was reading. [quoted text, click to view] > -- > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > don't. > > http://code.acadx.com > (Pull the pin to reply) > >
We've certainly had customer requests to have edit & continue in C#, but for
Whidbey, it didn't prioritize as high as some of the other work we wanted to do, so we chose to focus on other areas for Whidbey. We do understand the value of the feature, and will be looking to add it in future versions. Unfortunately, it's not a cheap thing to do, both from a theoretical standpoint and given our current architecture. -- Eric Gunnerson Visit the C# product team at http://www.csharp.net Eric's blog is at http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/ericgu/ This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. [quoted text, click to view] "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message news:%23sB4j82sDHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message > news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > > > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? > > > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is > > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much trickier > > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the > > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. > > > > From my current understanding, the CLR team has added(or is adding) E&C > support to the systems underpinnings for the whidbey era release, but it is > up to each individual language team to add support into their ide and their > language. Everything I've read has suggested that VB will support it, but > the C# team doesn't consider it something that their customer base needs and > will postpone support for a later release, Orcas or maybe later, hopefully > allowing them to put more work into valuable added features(like the fixed > statement in structures, iterators, etc) over a paradigm that the majority > of the community seems to be against. > However, this is not definate or even certainly correct. However if you look > through the PDC CLR presentations, I recall there being atleast one slide > that discusses the changes to the runtime to support edit & continue. > > I'll post a reply when I have time to find the slides I was reading. > > > -- > > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > > don't. > > > > http://code.acadx.com > > (Pull the pin to reply) > > > > > >
Hi,
Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? Thanks
[quoted text, click to view] "Eric Gunnerson [MS]" <ericgu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message For the time being, I think thats the best path. I would like to see E&C,news:erIEfR5sDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > We've certainly had customer requests to have edit & continue in C#, but for > Whidbey, it didn't prioritize as high as some of the other work we wanted to > do, so we chose to focus on other areas for Whidbey. > > We do understand the value of the feature, and will be looking to add it in > future versions. Unfortunately, it's not a cheap thing to do, both from a > theoretical standpoint and given our current architecture. > but many other features are of greater importance. The fixed operator in structs being one of my favorites. [quoted text, click to view] > > -- > Eric Gunnerson > > Visit the C# product team at http://www.csharp.net > Eric's blog is at http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/ericgu/ > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. > "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message > news:%23sB4j82sDHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message > > news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > > > > > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? > > > > > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is > > > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much trickier > > > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the > > > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. > > > > > > > From my current understanding, the CLR team has added(or is adding) E&C > > support to the systems underpinnings for the whidbey era release, but it > is > > up to each individual language team to add support into their ide and > their > > language. Everything I've read has suggested that VB will support it, but > > the C# team doesn't consider it something that their customer base needs > and > > will postpone support for a later release, Orcas or maybe later, hopefully > > allowing them to put more work into valuable added features(like the fixed > > statement in structures, iterators, etc) over a paradigm that the majority > > of the community seems to be against. > > However, this is not definate or even certainly correct. However if you > look > > through the PDC CLR presentations, I recall there being atleast one slide > > that discusses the changes to the runtime to support edit & continue. > > > > I'll post a reply when I have time to find the slides I was reading. > > > > > -- > > > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > > > don't. > > > > > > http://code.acadx.com > > > (Pull the pin to reply) > > > > > > > > > > > >
It shouldnt be too hard , just rerun the JIT.
[quoted text, click to view] "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the debugger? > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much trickier > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. > > -- > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who > don't. > > http://code.acadx.com > (Pull the pin to reply) > >
If you're not a fucking idiot, I don't know who is. Get a life.
On Tue, 25 Nov 2003 22:57:39 +0100, "Alvin Bruney" [quoted text, click to view] <alvin.bruney@.telia.com.> wrote:
>if that wasnt arse licking what was > >"Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message >news:#fsl1p5sDHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... >> >> "Eric Gunnerson [MS]" <ericgu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:erIEfR5sDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> > We've certainly had customer requests to have edit & continue in C#, but >> for >> > Whidbey, it didn't prioritize as high as some of the other work we >wanted >> to >> > do, so we chose to focus on other areas for Whidbey. >> > >> > We do understand the value of the feature, and will be looking to add it >> in >> > future versions. Unfortunately, it's not a cheap thing to do, both from >a >> > theoretical standpoint and given our current architecture. >> > >> For the time being, I think thats the best path. I would like to see E&C, >> but many other features are of greater importance. The fixed operator in >> structs being one of my favorites. >> > >> > -- >> > Eric Gunnerson >> > >> > Visit the C# product team at http://www.csharp.net >> > Eric's blog is at http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/ericgu/ >> > >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no >> rights. >> > "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message >> > news:%23sB4j82sDHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> > > >> > > "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message >> > > news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> > > > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the >> debugger? >> > > > >> > > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C >is >> > > > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much >> trickier >> > > > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the >> > > > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. >> > > > >> > > >> > > From my current understanding, the CLR team has added(or is adding) >E&C >> > > support to the systems underpinnings for the whidbey era release, but >it >> > is >> > > up to each individual language team to add support into their ide and >> > their >> > > language. Everything I've read has suggested that VB will support it, >> but >> > > the C# team doesn't consider it something that their customer base >needs >> > and >> > > will postpone support for a later release, Orcas or maybe later, >> hopefully >> > > allowing them to put more work into valuable added features(like the >> fixed >> > > statement in structures, iterators, etc) over a paradigm that the >> majority >> > > of the community seems to be against. >> > > However, this is not definate or even certainly correct. However if >you >> > look >> > > through the PDC CLR presentations, I recall there being atleast one >> slide >> > > that discusses the changes to the runtime to support edit & continue. >> > > >> > > I'll post a reply when I have time to find the slides I was reading. >> > > >> > > > -- >> > > > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those >> who >> > > > don't. >> > > > >> > > > http://code.acadx.com >> > > > (Pull the pin to reply) >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >
if that wasnt arse licking what was
[quoted text, click to view] "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message news:#fsl1p5sDHA.1996@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > "Eric Gunnerson [MS]" <ericgu@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:erIEfR5sDHA.1512@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > We've certainly had customer requests to have edit & continue in C#, but > for > > Whidbey, it didn't prioritize as high as some of the other work we wanted > to > > do, so we chose to focus on other areas for Whidbey. > > > > We do understand the value of the feature, and will be looking to add it > in > > future versions. Unfortunately, it's not a cheap thing to do, both from a > > theoretical standpoint and given our current architecture. > > > For the time being, I think thats the best path. I would like to see E&C, > but many other features are of greater importance. The fixed operator in > structs being one of my favorites. > > > > -- > > Eric Gunnerson > > > > Visit the C# product team at http://www.csharp.net > > Eric's blog is at http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/ericgu/ > > > > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no > rights. > > "Daniel O'Connell" <onyxkirx@--NOSPAM--comcast.net> wrote in message > > news:%23sB4j82sDHA.2308@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > > > > "Frank Oquendo" <franko@acadxpin.com> wrote in message > > > news:%237AvCA2sDHA.3536@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > > discussion@discussion.microsoft.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Will Vsnet IDE and C# ever get "Edit and continue" in the > debugger? > > > > > > > > Why is this so important? With an interpreted language like VB, E&C is > > > > just a side effect. .NET is a compiled language. That is a much > trickier > > > > proposition. I'd much rather have the VS.NET team work on making the > > > > language faster and more stable than obsess over this trifle. > > > > > > > > > > From my current understanding, the CLR team has added(or is adding) E&C > > > support to the systems underpinnings for the whidbey era release, but it > > is > > > up to each individual language team to add support into their ide and > > their > > > language. Everything I've read has suggested that VB will support it, > but > > > the C# team doesn't consider it something that their customer base needs > > and > > > will postpone support for a later release, Orcas or maybe later, > hopefully > > > allowing them to put more work into valuable added features(like the > fixed > > > statement in structures, iterators, etc) over a paradigm that the > majority > > > of the community seems to be against. > > > However, this is not definate or even certainly correct. However if you > > look > > > through the PDC CLR presentations, I recall there being atleast one > slide > > > that discusses the changes to the runtime to support edit & continue. > > > > > > I'll post a reply when I have time to find the slides I was reading. > > > > > > > -- > > > > There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those > who > > > > don't. > > > > > > > > http://code.acadx.com > > > > (Pull the pin to reply) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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