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OK, I've looked and looked in the newsgroups, Microsoft and Google but have
found no real help in determining if Visual Studio 2003 Professional SE is EXACTLY the same as Professional, just with Server 2003 and SQL 2000 Developer Ed. added on. When Microsoft says that it "has all of the functionality of Professional", I get weary. Why is SE priced ~$300 cheaper than Professional? Something doesn't seem right. I currently have Standard (VB.NET and C#) and I am unable to create Class Library projects in VB.NET. I need Professional but I don't know if I should get Professional SE or not. The $300 difference is freaking me out. Can anyone tell me if Professional SE is EXACTLY the same as Professional? I don't want to buy SE and find out that it can't do the same things as Professional.
Tim,
You want to look at the following URL. It's kind of hard to find, but this gives you a detailed comparison of the all the editions of VS 2003. I bought VS2003 Professional Special Edition and I am very pleased with it. You Win 2003 Server, SQL Server 2000 Developer Edition, a 50% off coupon for a Microsoft exam and the developer books for the MCSD exams. It's a pretty good deal. Here's the URL for the detailed comparision. http://msdn.microsoft.com/howtobuy/vstudio/features/ Jim [quoted text, click to view] "Tim T." wrote:
> OK, I've looked and looked in the newsgroups, Microsoft and Google but have > found no real help in determining if Visual Studio 2003 Professional SE is > EXACTLY the same as Professional, just with Server 2003 and SQL 2000 > Developer Ed. added on. When Microsoft says that it "has all of the > functionality of Professional", I get weary. Why is SE priced ~$300 cheaper > than Professional? Something doesn't seem right. > > I currently have Standard (VB.NET and C#) and I am unable to create Class > Library projects in VB.NET. I need Professional but I don't know if I should > get Professional SE or not. The $300 difference is freaking me out. > > Can anyone tell me if Professional SE is EXACTLY the same as Professional? > I don't want to buy SE and find out that it can't do the same things as > Professional.
"Jeff Schwartz" <Jeff Schwartz@discussions.microsoft.com> skrev i meddelandet news:2F1ECF5F-A202-4145-A147-0428ED65DB40@microsoft.com... [quoted text, click to view] > "Tim T." wrote: > >> OK, I've looked and looked in the newsgroups, Microsoft and Google >> but have >> found no real help in determining if Visual Studio 2003 Professional >> SE is >> EXACTLY the same as Professional, just with Server 2003 and SQL 2000 >> Developer Ed. added on. When Microsoft says that it "has all of the >> functionality of Professional", I get weary. Why is SE priced ~$300 >> cheaper >> than Professional? Something doesn't seem right. >> >> I currently have Standard (VB.NET and C#) and I am unable to create >> Class >> Library projects in VB.NET. I need Professional but I don't know if >> I should >> get Professional SE or not. The $300 difference is freaking me out. >> >> Can anyone tell me if Professional SE is EXACTLY the same as >> Professional? >> I don't want to buy SE and find out that it can't do the same things >> as >> Professional. >> > > Regarding the steep discounting of VS2003 Professional SE, I think the > answer lies in timing, i.e. it is being offered at the very end of VS > 2003's > life cycle and therefore MS is using the discount as an inducement to > purchase an item that is by all measures already outdated. This raises > an > even more important question IMO which is if I purchase SE today and > VS2005 > goes live tomorrow what will be MS's upgrade policy for me and others > like > me? Will it be free or will I be forced to pay again to upgrade? If I > am > forced to pay again then the savings I realize on SE isn't real as it > will be > made up by what I will have to pay for the 2005 upgrade. It will definitely not go live tomorrow, we are still waiting for the Beta 2. Current word is september at the latest, for a release. And you *will* have to pay for the next upgrade, $549 or thereabout... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/mar05/03-21VS2005PR.asp Bo Persson
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"Tim T." wrote: > OK, I've looked and looked in the newsgroups, Microsoft and Google but have > found no real help in determining if Visual Studio 2003 Professional SE is > EXACTLY the same as Professional, just with Server 2003 and SQL 2000 > Developer Ed. added on. When Microsoft says that it "has all of the > functionality of Professional", I get weary. Why is SE priced ~$300 cheaper > than Professional? Something doesn't seem right. > > I currently have Standard (VB.NET and C#) and I am unable to create Class > Library projects in VB.NET. I need Professional but I don't know if I should > get Professional SE or not. The $300 difference is freaking me out. > > Can anyone tell me if Professional SE is EXACTLY the same as Professional? > I don't want to buy SE and find out that it can't do the same things as > Professional. > Regarding the steep discounting of VS2003 Professional SE, I think the answer lies in timing, i.e. it is being offered at the very end of VS 2003's life cycle and therefore MS is using the discount as an inducement to purchase an item that is by all measures already outdated. This raises an even more important question IMO which is if I purchase SE today and VS2005 goes live tomorrow what will be MS's upgrade policy for me and others like me? Will it be free or will I be forced to pay again to upgrade? If I am forced to pay again then the savings I realize on SE isn't real as it will be made up by what I will have to pay for the 2005 upgrade. Because I haven't been able to find an answer to this question I therefore haven't made the move to the SE release. I'm a consultant and every penny I spend on development tools comes out of my own pocket. If MS published its upgrade policy from VS 2003 SE to VS 2005 Professional then perhaps, if the policy were reasonable, I'd make the move... Hint hint hint, MS. I'm rather a big fan of MS development products, especially because they allow me to sell my services to a large audience who use them but I am not willing to gamble on this deal just yet. PS I also develop custom ASP server controls and though there is no project template for them in VWD 2005 and the standard 2003 editions I create them using batch files to build them. I hope MS realizes that building custom ASP server controls isn't an advanced feature but rather a necessarry feature for many intranet and public web sites as it enforces encapsulation, abstraction, and reuse in ways that user controls are just not capable of... another hint, MS.
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"Jeff Schwartz" <Jeff Schwartz@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2F1ECF5F-A202-4145-A147-0428ED65DB40@microsoft.com... > "Tim T." wrote: > > > Regarding the steep discounting of VS2003 Professional SE, I think the > answer lies in timing, i.e. it is being offered at the very end of VS > 2003's > life cycle and therefore MS is using the discount as an inducement to > purchase an item that is by all measures already outdated. This raises an > even more important question IMO which is if I purchase SE today and > VS2005 > goes live tomorrow what will be MS's upgrade policy for me and others like > me? Will it be free or will I be forced to pay again to upgrade? If I am > forced to pay again then the savings I realize on SE isn't real as it will > be > made up by what I will have to pay for the 2005 upgrade. > There's one aspect you're overlooking. If the 2003 package offers you a better toolset than you have now - better productivity, etc., then you will have had the benefit of those improved tools between now and the time you upgrade to 2005. Purely a business decision on your part. I *hope* 2003 isn't at the end of its *life* cycle ... My expectation is that it will continue to be supported for the foreseeable future. I'm thinking Studio 2005 is more likely to be Studio 2006 in reality. Possibly 2007 before its stable enough to bet one's livelihood on! Heck, MS just released a 2002 SP. Surely there will be a SP for 2003 Real Soon Now :)
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