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flash (macromedia) : avi -> flv = twice the file size?!


elodahl
3/3/2004 10:51:27 PM
I'm importing into the library an avi file.
I choose to edit it by:
[bullet]decreasing the physical size 70%[/bullet]
[bullet]choose optimum bandwidth at 256kb[/bullet]
When i then export it as a flv file, i end up with an flv file more than twice
the size of the original avi?!

this makes no logical sense to me. Am i missing something?
original avi = 16MB
resulting flv = 39MB

thanks in advance, Eric

urami_
3/4/2004 12:04:00 PM

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avi comes in variety of formats , some uncompressed or compress could gain allot
while resampling. Flash isn't dedicated video application , it's more of "on popular
user demand' feature but it's not a well functional or sophisticated codec.
In fact it has very lousy outputs , quality and size wise .

Perhaps you would consider a dedicated application for such work . If you need quality ,
flash is not what you after . Not video nor raster images.





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elodahl
3/4/2004 3:18:13 PM
thankyou for the reply!
hmmm...well...the reason i was hoping to use flash, was to deliver screen
capture video across a network without having to invest in any streaming server
or technology. I know flash doesn't really stream either, unless a
communication server is involved, but I was hoping the conversion to flv with
the edits would bring the size down to a more usable file size.
So, am I not doing anything wrong? It's simply the resampling that's blowing
up the size?
thanks again, Eric
Dan from Atlanta
3/6/2004 2:20:06 AM
Actually Flash can do great video and raster stuff. You just have to play a
bit and maybe spend a little more money. Read some of the other FLV posts.
The native video importer is poor, but the one the comes with MX Pro isn't bad,
Sorensen Squeeze is even better. Your FLV will be sized according to the
export settings, with regard to bandwidth, and audio and video comporession.
It has nothing to do with the input file. You can take a little QuickTime and
make a big FLV (thought it won't look too good), and a big QuickTime and make a
littke FLV for low bandwidth. When you import the FLV into Flash MX, it
recompresses the sound anyway and reduces the file size significantly. The Pro
complonents work differently, you have to get the size right when you compress,
as they exist on their own. I know that's a lot of chatter, but don't give up.
Flash is a fun video medium!
elodahl
3/8/2004 6:54:32 PM
Dan,
Given my earlier explanation...can you give me any insight as to why or how my FLV became larger than the original AVI?
I am in fact using FlashMX 2004 Professional.

Dan from Atlanta
3/26/2004 12:41:34 PM
Not seeing your original AVI, it would be hard to say. Did someone give it to
you? Did you shoot it?

If it came out of your camera, it would be huge. A five minute video from my
Sony DV camera would be 1,000 MB ( a gig). So it sounds like you're starting
with an AVI that someone already compressed. If that's the case, your
relatively high-bandwidth settings in the Flash exporter would probably
increase the file size.

As I mentioned in the other post, what you end up with is more a function of
your export settings than what you started with, regardless of the source.
the fleece
3/26/2004 1:03:12 PM
I am presuming u are using flash 2004??

it could be also because that it is a progresive download.. ie it might be
larger but it will play straight away and keep playing to the end.

but actually I go for the already compressed avi format as I use video lots
and have never had a flv larger than the original.
Vieolenz
4/15/2004 1:22:31 PM
I really hate this part of flash. For people querying about codec issues etc
etc. This is a bad codec, period. No you cannot use any other codec.

DO NOT LOOK ANY FURTHER THAN THAT.

I don't know why they have selected this codec when so many other good codecs
are available which could easily be integrated into the player.

Its so bad in fact that I've conceded the result to be of political issue over
product quality.

I have had at least 3 jobs where the ease of playback for flash video would
automatically make it successful candidiate for video until the clients view
the achievable quality.

pity, its such a great delivery device, such a crap codec.
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