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really hard to follow based on your syntax - possibly a language barrier
here. also your terminology is very confusing. what's this "gimp" you keep referring to? let me try and take this line by line: " when i select all like it does it so that individual things i did are selected differently," [no idea what this means. you doa slect all and everything on unlocked layers should now be selected - expected] " like places where i may ahve erased or made something white if the erase tool didnt seem to do what i want it, it now outlines and hten if i copy or paste it, it makes it grey?" [Hmmm - are you erasing with the eraser tool or painting over stuff with the brush tool and white selected? what is "hten"? i know it's a spelling error but i can't even guess as to what you meant to say. as for making things grey, still not sure what is happening because you are not explaining anything in a coherent way] " is there a way to like flatten the image or something," [yes, copy and paste everything onto 1 layer and if they are symbols or grouped objects, select all and Break Apart (Ctrl+B)] " though im not using seperate layers or even know how to do that in flash.... " [you don't know how to use different layers in flash? Add Layer option in the timeline. Have you found that yet? Have you read any of the help docs?] I think you really need to familiarize yourself with the program more - i realize that's what you are doing now - but ultimately, it's really hard to provide help when it's so difficult to decipher your questions. chris georgenes www.mudbubble.com www.keyframer.com team macromedia [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> not sure how to say this or describe this, but i made a picture... and then > when i select all like it does it so that individual things i did are selected > differently, like places where i may ahve erased or made something white if the > erase tool didnt seem to do what i want it, it now outlines and hten if i copy > or paste it, it makes it grey?.... is there a way to like flatten the image or > something, like i dont knwo hwo it works, but to me based on liek the gimp it > would be like where id flatten the latyers together to make it one image, > though im not using seperate layers or even know how to do that in flash.... > so i dont know whats going on? thanks...
not sure how to say this or describe this, but i made a picture... and then
when i select all like it does it so that individual things i did are selected differently, like places where i may ahve erased or made something white if the erase tool didnt seem to do what i want it, it now outlines and hten if i copy or paste it, it makes it grey?.... is there a way to like flatten the image or something, like i dont knwo hwo it works, but to me based on liek the gimp it would be like where id flatten the latyers together to make it one image, though im not using seperate layers or even know how to do that in flash.... so i dont know whats going on? thanks...
no we dont have a language issue i dont think, i think its just mostly typos
and me being confusing... gimp referst to the gimp, a free raster image editor software, not sure if thats the right name, but its a photoshop kinda thing as far as the rest of it im nto sure how to explain it, so i took ur advice and did some screen shots screenshot1 shows how if you look at some of the edges, like especially at the top of the door frame, the part with the tree in it and you look at teh slanted part of the border or frames, you can see extra little dots poking out that dont fit smoothly with the frame... however when i zoom in they arnt there.. so not sure how to fix that? http://virtue.liliesfield.com/images/screenshot1.PNG screenshot2 i dragged the main door object off to the side, this shows how much of the editing i did doesnt stick with the door, and the shadow and doorknob and stuff doesnt also, how do i make them all one object so that they do move together? and then if so desired how would i make the wording part of that one object? http://virtue.liliesfield.com/images/screenshot2.PNG screenshot3 here i have selected all, transform- scale adn rotate, i scaled it 200% and did a 90 degree rotate, if you look around the edges, most visible at the one corner of the shadow/light coming from teh door youc an see extra grey marks or other things that i either whited out or erased as you can see that they arnt there in the other two screenshots... but if i do this they show up... how do i get them to be erased and gone and the object then just as i want it? hope this clears it up and thank you for your help
thanks for the screen shots - this helps a lot.
basically you want to "snap" your lines together - the easiest way to do this is to turn on the little magnet ("snap tool) icon in your toolbox - then use selection tool and drag an end of one line close to another and they will snap together. you can also go to preferences and adjust the tolerance of how objects snap together. let me know if this helps. -c chris georgenes www.mudbubble.com www.keyframer.com team macromedia [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> no we dont have a language issue i dont think, i think its just mostly typos > and me being confusing... > > gimp referst to the gimp, a free raster image editor software, not sure if > thats the right name, but its a photoshop kinda thing > > > as far as the rest of it im nto sure how to explain it, so i took ur advice > and did some screen shots > > screenshot1 > > shows how if you look at some of the edges, like especially at the top of the > door frame, the part with the tree in it and you look at teh slanted part of > the border or frames, you can see extra little dots poking out that dont fit > smoothly with the frame... however when i zoom in they arnt there.. so not sure > how to fix that? > > http://virtue.liliesfield.com/images/screenshot1.PNG > > > screenshot2 > > i dragged the main door object off to the side, this shows how much of the > editing i did doesnt stick with the door, and the shadow and doorknob and stuff > doesnt also, how do i make them all one object so that they do move together? > and then if so desired how would i make the wording part of that one object? > > http://virtue.liliesfield.com/images/screenshot2.PNG > > > > screenshot3 > > here i have selected all, transform- scale adn rotate, i scaled it 200% and > did a 90 degree rotate, if you look around the edges, most visible at the one > corner of the shadow/light coming from teh door youc an see extra grey marks or > other things that i either whited out or erased as you can see that they arnt > there in the other two screenshots... but if i do this they show up... how do i > get them to be erased and gone and the object then just as i want it? > > > hope this clears it up and thank you for your help
what do you mean it doesn't work for you - when you physically drag the
line to snap to another - what doesn't work? it's about as fullproof a solution i can offer - it works for me everytime - as for image 3, there was no link to it. chris georgenes www.mudbubble.com www.keyframer.com team macromedia [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> ok... i tried that.... but that doesnt seem to work for me... select all and > grouping seems to do more like what im wanting, but i dont think its exactly > right.... > > and could you address my other questions such as the little added vector > things that show up when zoomed out but not zoomed in? i can provide better > screenshots for this if you need > > also what about the like extra marks in screenshot3 that shouldnt be there, i > erased or painted over them to make them nto exist anymore, but they still show > up, i want just the visible image in the first two screen shots, but if i do > anything with it i get those extra marks? thanks for all your help
if your line is bending - then that means you are not dragging it from
the end or one of its points. zoom in as much as possible will help - use the sub-selection tool to see the actual points to make it even easier. chris georgenes www.mudbubble.com www.keyframer.com team macromedia [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> oh, sorry about that, i thought i edited it and added it because i did forget > to put it on obviously heh heh, well here if for the screenshot 3 > > http://virtue.liliesfield.com/images/screenshot3.PNG > > as far as for all the extra blurbs that were around i guess the eraser faucet > thing seemed to take care of those, though there still seems to be some odd > shapes within the logo but i guess atleast now thats not a problem, and by odd > shapes in the figure i mean when you select all there are areas that dont have > the dots on them within the logo that are like perhaps extra lines i drew > inside the figure that shouldnt be seperate > > and as far as it not working... it doesnt snap, there is the lines and there > is the picutre, i click the selection tool, the black mouse pointer looking > thing, and the magnet is slected, or pressed down/in, and i try to drag the > line and instead it bends the line or soemthing, and if i try to move the whole > logo it still doesnt snap..... > > thanks for your ongoing help :) > thanks
is the door a bitmap? if so this would cause your problem. you are
trying to combine vector and raster information and that is something those other programs simply don't support (afaik). you have to either Trace Bitmap your door image or re-trace it by hand with flash drawing tools. let me know if i am getting closer to understanding. chris georgenes www.mudbubble.com www.keyframer.com team macromedia [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> i think we may be talking about two different things, but im not sure.... as > far as the snapping goes, i think i know what you mean nad yes that moves the > line to the correct spot, but it doesnt actually attach it to the door image, i > want the lines that i edit to actually become a part of the rest of the door, > like most of the door is on thing, as you can see i could drag it over to the > right just by itself, but i want the rest of the green marks that stayed as > well as the grey marks for the door to be part of the same object as well, so > that i can grab the door and move it and all of that moves together and is one > onject so that i can use the paint bucket to click anywhere on teh green part > of the door and all of it will change to that color, instead of most of it > changing that color and then whatever lines i added in flash to stay green and > need to be done seperate, because that doesnt even work, if i try to use the > paint can on one of the lines it wont change color.... i dont understand how > it can be so difficult to make different parts of it one image permanently.... > > > its like as i was trying to say in gimp or in photoshop when your working on > an image you can have different layers with different elements on each layer, > but then youc an flatten the image or anchor the layers so that it then becomes > just one layer, so no longer are they seperate, but one whol image just as it > is.... its similiar to grouping the images... but on a permanent bases and that > will also allow me to use the paint bucket and such.... not sure if this helps > explain it? thank you for your help
ok... i tried that.... but that doesnt seem to work for me... select all and
grouping seems to do more like what im wanting, but i dont think its exactly right.... and could you address my other questions such as the little added vector things that show up when zoomed out but not zoomed in? i can provide better screenshots for this if you need also what about the like extra marks in screenshot3 that shouldnt be there, i erased or painted over them to make them nto exist anymore, but they still show up, i want just the visible image in the first two screen shots, but if i do anything with it i get those extra marks? thanks for all your help
oh, sorry about that, i thought i edited it and added it because i did forget
to put it on obviously heh heh, well here if for the screenshot 3 http://virtue.liliesfield.com/images/screenshot3.PNG as far as for all the extra blurbs that were around i guess the eraser faucet thing seemed to take care of those, though there still seems to be some odd shapes within the logo but i guess atleast now thats not a problem, and by odd shapes in the figure i mean when you select all there are areas that dont have the dots on them within the logo that are like perhaps extra lines i drew inside the figure that shouldnt be seperate and as far as it not working... it doesnt snap, there is the lines and there is the picutre, i click the selection tool, the black mouse pointer looking thing, and the magnet is slected, or pressed down/in, and i try to drag the line and instead it bends the line or soemthing, and if i try to move the whole logo it still doesnt snap..... thanks for your ongoing help :) thanks
you are trying to snap lines to shapes - there's a difference. you might
have to select all lines and convert all lines to shapes to then snap them to the shapes made from the trace bitmap image. when you trace bitmap an image, the image is converted to shapes. lines are different - still vector, but different - but if all you want is to group them all together - copy and past everything to a new layer and select all and Ctrl+G (Group) of F8 (Convert to symbol). famous? HA! doubt it - but HM was a fun time in my life :) thanks -c [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> the first thing i did when opening up the logo in flash was to trace bitmap, as > the whole reason i am using flash for this is to convert it to a vector image, > i read online that flash was the best, according to whatever site i was at, at > doing this, and i had previously downloaded a flash trial as i was/am planning > on getting flash in the near future.... > > how can i tell if it still thinks its a bitmap or not? i no longer have the > option to trace bitmap, and that is the first thing i did.. > > also though, the lines that dont move with the image, dont move at all as far > as i can tell, if i try to move htem they bend, its more like they are a part > of the white canvas in flash and that the door part is just a part floating in > front of it.... if you get what i mean? i suppose with the tools it wouldnt be > too hard to trace over, but i just dont think that should be neccesary? thank > you for your help :) and i just got done checking out your site, didnt realize > i was talking to the person or atleast one of the people behind home movies, > its like im getting help from someone famous, thats awesome ^^ not sure what > else to say, so thank you
i really think you simply are not familiar with vector drawing tools and
Flash in general. [ the problem with that however is that i cant then change its colors?] not sure why this would be the case - you can change the color of anything you want at anytime - but it may be you are trying to fill lines with the buket tool (which is used for shapes). You need to select the stroke (line) and use the Ink Bottle tool ot the Properties Inspector or the Color Mixer to change the color (use the stroke color swatch). [ i try to paint on it and the whole thing wont change colors] when you say "paint" you mean with the Brush right? and when you say "whole" thing you mean the traced bitmap (shapes) and the lines (strokes)? please, if you want to resolve all these drawing issues, you have to seriously use specific terminology so we all know *exactly* what you are doing. so far it's been a bunch of replies and i don't think any of it is really helping. [ i have just now outlined the basic door, and so i was able to paint that] WAIT - you say you "outlined" it and *then* was able to "paint" that - explain please what you did - you outlined it with what tool? and then what di you use to "paint" over it with and why? [.... however that too isnt one piece if i click on the door it highlights it adn then i can [quoted text, click to view] > move it, but once again its not moving any of the edges or that little brick of It's evident from this description that you are not familiar with > coloring up in the left corner] vectors - have you tried using the lasso tool or "select all" to select everything? [... also if i paint inside the door, the other items i made, like the tree and some of the lines dont change color with the rest of it?... i really dont understand why this is so difficult] it really isn't difficult - flash drawing engine is about as simple as it gets when it comes to vector drawing programs. see this and i hope it clears things up for you:
i think we may be talking about two different things, but im not sure.... as
far as the snapping goes, i think i know what you mean nad yes that moves the line to the correct spot, but it doesnt actually attach it to the door image, i want the lines that i edit to actually become a part of the rest of the door, like most of the door is on thing, as you can see i could drag it over to the right just by itself, but i want the rest of the green marks that stayed as well as the grey marks for the door to be part of the same object as well, so that i can grab the door and move it and all of that moves together and is one onject so that i can use the paint bucket to click anywhere on teh green part of the door and all of it will change to that color, instead of most of it changing that color and then whatever lines i added in flash to stay green and need to be done seperate, because that doesnt even work, if i try to use the paint can on one of the lines it wont change color.... i dont understand how it can be so difficult to make different parts of it one image permanently.... its like as i was trying to say in gimp or in photoshop when your working on an image you can have different layers with different elements on each layer, but then youc an flatten the image or anchor the layers so that it then becomes just one layer, so no longer are they seperate, but one whol image just as it is.... its similiar to grouping the images... but on a permanent bases and that will also allow me to use the paint bucket and such.... not sure if this helps explain it? thank you for your help
the first thing i did when opening up the logo in flash was to trace bitmap, as
the whole reason i am using flash for this is to convert it to a vector image, i read online that flash was the best, according to whatever site i was at, at doing this, and i had previously downloaded a flash trial as i was/am planning on getting flash in the near future.... how can i tell if it still thinks its a bitmap or not? i no longer have the option to trace bitmap, and that is the first thing i did.. also though, the lines that dont move with the image, dont move at all as far as i can tell, if i try to move htem they bend, its more like they are a part of the white canvas in flash and that the door part is just a part floating in front of it.... if you get what i mean? i suppose with the tools it wouldnt be too hard to trace over, but i just dont think that should be neccesary? thank you for your help :) and i just got done checking out your site, didnt realize i was talking to the person or atleast one of the people behind home movies, its like im getting help from someone famous, thats awesome ^^ not sure what else to say, so thank you
it sounds like you have every thing on one layer - you can click on the layer
name in teh timeline - or on the specific frame - to select everything on that layer then just hit F8 and turn it into a symbol - that will let you move every thing together
ok thank you, the problem with that however is that i cant then change its
colors? i try to paint on it and the whole thing wont change colors.... i have just now outlined the basic door, and so i was able to paint that.... however that too isnt one piece if i click on the door it highlights it adn then i can move it, but once again its not moving any of the edges or that little brick of coloring up in the left corner... also if i paint inside the door, the other items i made, like the tree and some of the lines dont change color with the rest of it?... i really dont understand why this is so difficult ^^ thank you for the help... and hopefully this can get resolved....
wow - i honestly couldn't read all that - but there is huge difference
between raster and vector - how they work and everything. 2 completely different animals. Once you group or convert to symbol something you drew - you can always edit it by double clicking it. "painting" is never done with the bucket tool - "filling" is - "painting" is done with the brush tool - "drawing" with the pencil or pen tool - just to clarify. I really just think you need to spend a couple more hours playing with flash to figure out the way it works - it's just a matter of time and you'll get it. chris georgenes www.mudbubble.com www.keyframer.com team macromedia [quoted text, click to view] JBirdAngel wrote:
> right, of course im not familiar with it, heh heh if i was and knew how to do > it i wouldnt be here askign questions ;), this is my first time using a vector > program, but i dont get why the same logic of raster isnt applied, and i can > understand the misunderstandings with what i mean wiht the words sorry, by > painting i mean the bucket tool, and yes i mean that i couldnt get the lines to > change with the bucket... and it is being difficult, while some of the things > the program does make it incredibly easy and amazing and great, these same > things in ways make it more difficult, most things have both pros and cons, not > just one or the other, i imagine that the pros far outweigh the cons, as > clearly you dont even notice them now that you are used to the software and > tools... and outline with the line tool, i guess i figured some of this was > self explanatory, but since you have no idea my level of knowledge, which is > little, you do need more specific things so i get that... and i thought my > screenshots showed exactly what the issue(s) im having are, so i also dont > understand some of your confusion, but im sure i can be very confusing, so > thank you for trying to stick with it and trying to help... > > and as i said in a reply grouping them or turning it all into a symbol isfine, > except that it doesnt then allow me to re color the object (atleast not with > using the bucket)... > > i guess the thing to try is to make the lines shapes and then they can snap > and beocme one object? ill try to do that, and see if that works... > > i think perhaps my not using technical and specific terms confused you > initially and that somehow based on that you got further confused or something, > im not sure, because my screenshots show that its lines and the meat or i guess > shape within the door that arent connecting, so not really sure about the > confusion on this? > > also i dont want to just group the things or make them a symbol, which i > probably already said in this message, because there is no way to then change > the color, there should be a way to make it so that if there are shapes that > touch or overlay and are of the same color, taht yous hould be able to pain > them all at one time, hence if i have green, wether it be lines or whatever all > in the same area connected and aprt of the same object that i can use the paint > bucket to change it all, this is how it is in raster, and is more > understandable to me, i am sure that there is great logic in the seperating of > lines and shapes, i just think it should be easier to connect them all into one > big "shape" or object in order to edit the color of all of them with one simple > click... it shouldnt be a several day topic trying to figure out just how to > basically make some lines and colors one object that can be colored by either > the bucket or ink all at once... its a basic and common thing to do as far as i > know, so i really dont understand why its so difficult, meaning so complicated > for someone new to the software to be able to figure out? a guy that helps us > out with our computers and stuff played around with it alot too and couldnt > figure it out, i believe he said something similiar to him being awesome at > photoshop, but then he too agreed that it made no sense that there wasnt an > easier way to accomplish this seemingly simple task... i do more then i thought > i did see the logic in doing lines and shapes seperatly, however i dont think > combining lines and shape into one shape that can be colored should be so hard > to figure out that it takes a novice and several experienced people more than a > question one way and statment the other to figure out... hope this clears it up > a little? no offense was meant, i think its clearly my fault for the > confusion, just think that my confusing you then over confused you beyond the > level of confusion, or caused you to not connect some things together that i > said, but i think that is totally understandable with how i write and talk, > hopefully no offense is taken, i do not know if i am being bad in saying these > things or not, but i dont believe i am trying to... > > i didnt see how to convert lines to shapes, or how to select all lines, ill go > look at it more, but if this is really how the software works then there should > be a select all lines or a select all lines in certain area function and then > convert to shape function, which maybe there is, but i am of course just trying > to figure out all these tools so dont understand it all yet... > > thank you very much for sticking with me and trying to figure this out i > appreciate it
right, of course im not familiar with it, heh heh if i was and knew how to do
it i wouldnt be here askign questions ;), this is my first time using a vector program, but i dont get why the same logic of raster isnt applied, and i can understand the misunderstandings with what i mean wiht the words sorry, by painting i mean the bucket tool, and yes i mean that i couldnt get the lines to change with the bucket... and it is being difficult, while some of the things the program does make it incredibly easy and amazing and great, these same things in ways make it more difficult, most things have both pros and cons, not just one or the other, i imagine that the pros far outweigh the cons, as clearly you dont even notice them now that you are used to the software and tools... and outline with the line tool, i guess i figured some of this was self explanatory, but since you have no idea my level of knowledge, which is little, you do need more specific things so i get that... and i thought my screenshots showed exactly what the issue(s) im having are, so i also dont understand some of your confusion, but im sure i can be very confusing, so thank you for trying to stick with it and trying to help... and as i said in a reply grouping them or turning it all into a symbol isfine, except that it doesnt then allow me to re color the object (atleast not with using the bucket)... i guess the thing to try is to make the lines shapes and then they can snap and beocme one object? ill try to do that, and see if that works... i think perhaps my not using technical and specific terms confused you initially and that somehow based on that you got further confused or something, im not sure, because my screenshots show that its lines and the meat or i guess shape within the door that arent connecting, so not really sure about the confusion on this? also i dont want to just group the things or make them a symbol, which i probably already said in this message, because there is no way to then change the color, there should be a way to make it so that if there are shapes that touch or overlay and are of the same color, taht yous hould be able to pain them all at one time, hence if i have green, wether it be lines or whatever all in the same area connected and aprt of the same object that i can use the paint bucket to change it all, this is how it is in raster, and is more understandable to me, i am sure that there is great logic in the seperating of lines and shapes, i just think it should be easier to connect them all into one big "shape" or object in order to edit the color of all of them with one simple click... it shouldnt be a several day topic trying to figure out just how to basically make some lines and colors one object that can be colored by either the bucket or ink all at once... its a basic and common thing to do as far as i know, so i really dont understand why its so difficult, meaning so complicated for someone new to the software to be able to figure out? a guy that helps us out with our computers and stuff played around with it alot too and couldnt figure it out, i believe he said something similiar to him being awesome at photoshop, but then he too agreed that it made no sense that there wasnt an easier way to accomplish this seemingly simple task... i do more then i thought i did see the logic in doing lines and shapes seperatly, however i dont think combining lines and shape into one shape that can be colored should be so hard to figure out that it takes a novice and several experienced people more than a question one way and statment the other to figure out... hope this clears it up a little? no offense was meant, i think its clearly my fault for the confusion, just think that my confusing you then over confused you beyond the level of confusion, or caused you to not connect some things together that i said, but i think that is totally understandable with how i write and talk, hopefully no offense is taken, i do not know if i am being bad in saying these things or not, but i dont believe i am trying to... i didnt see how to convert lines to shapes, or how to select all lines, ill go look at it more, but if this is really how the software works then there should be a select all lines or a select all lines in certain area function and then convert to shape function, which maybe there is, but i am of course just trying to figure out all these tools so dont understand it all yet... thank you very much for sticking with me and trying to figure this out i appreciate it
ok, so if i use the eraser faucet i can get rid of the extra white around the
object and such... then trying to figure out your advice, not what you meant, but how to actually carry it out, i slected all and modify, shape, convert lines to fill this is what ive been looking for heh heh, or atleast this is the closest thing, so thats great thank you, i am also wondering if the other shapes which are a part of the overall logo, not the words, but the shadow lining and connected to the door, and the doorknob, although these are different color is there a way to make these a part of the same, shape, as i guess they are called... yet still retain the different color and be able to be painted seperatly, such as is able to be done in raster, or atleast with my experience with such? thank you for all the help, im glad to finally have made some progress! thank you :)
ok.. so ya that kinda worked, except the parts of it that were lines before,
are not the same as they were, they are now sticking out too far in some places, or for some reason angled out rather then going along the line that they were, i can show you a picture if you want... i just dont get why it doesnt make the image that i made as the image that i made, why does it keep trying to do what it wants and not what i want ;) i can try to straighten all these blemishes i guess is the word out, but then i have no assurance that once i do that, that those corrections too will then not be accurate... any help on this? we are getting much closer... just not quite there, thank you for all the help
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