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Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup?
As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.
LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5.
-- __________________________________________________________________________ William R. Vaughn President and Founder Beta V Corporation Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa Microsoft MVP (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [quoted text, click to view] "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? > > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. > > Cor
I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on
microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. Could someone enumerate the advantages of microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of this newsgroup I am missing? I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a better place. On Apr 3, 8:46=A0am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> [quoted text, click to view] wrote: _=AD_________________"Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in=> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. > > -- > __________________________________________________________________________= > William R. Vaughn > President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 =A0(Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > __________________________________________________________________________= message [quoted text, click to view] >
> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... > > > > > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? > > > As I see so many non =A0LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment.= > > > Cor- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
This is an ADO.NET newsgroup. However, since there is no LINQ to SQL nor EF
newsgroup I guess it makes sense to post here if one doesn't want to go with web forums at http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ -- Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia] RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_righthand/ [quoted text, click to view] "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? > > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. > > Cor
I'll pass the word on to the powers-that-be.
--Mary On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:06:49 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]" [quoted text, click to view] <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote:
>Miha, > >AFAIK there are no managed forums, the purpose of my message was mostly to >the MSFT, so that they can use this message to let there be a >microsoft.public.dotnet.linq newsgroup. > >That would not only make this newsgroup more clear. > >Cor > >"Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> schreef in bericht >news:%2319mJmWlIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> This is an ADO.NET newsgroup. However, since there is no LINQ to SQL nor >> EF newsgroup I guess it makes sense to post here if one doesn't want to go >> with web forums at >> http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ >> >> -- >> Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia] >> RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com >> Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_righthand/ >> >> "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message >> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >>> Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >>> >>> As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. >>> >>> Cor >>
Miha,
AFAIK there are no managed forums, the purpose of my message was mostly to the MSFT, so that they can use this message to let there be a microsoft.public.dotnet.linq newsgroup. That would not only make this newsgroup more clear. Cor "Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> schreef in bericht news:%2319mJmWlIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... [quoted text, click to view] > This is an ADO.NET newsgroup. However, since there is no LINQ to SQL nor > EF newsgroup I guess it makes sense to post here if one doesn't want to go > with web forums at > http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ > > -- > Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia] > RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com > Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_righthand/ > > "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message > news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >> Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >> >> As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. >> >> Cor >
For now, I much prefer a newsreader than a web interface and I'm not sure
this web forum can be read by doing something else than pointing your browser to it. I point though my RSS reader to some of the web forums (including the LINQ forum) but it still doesnt match IMO the newsreader experience. I believe that what would be terrific would be to have a feed format (for example that would preserve the thread hierarchy) or a web service, allowing to both have a web interface but still to consume the forum content in a flexible way in a desktop based newsgroup like interface... -- Patrice <turkdude777@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. Could someone enumerate the advantages of microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of this newsgroup I am missing? I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a better place. On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> [quoted text, click to view] wrote: > LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. > > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > William R. Vaughn > President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor > Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message > > news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... > > > > > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? > > > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. > > > Cor- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
Mary, (now that you're on the inside), could you mention that there is an
"MSDE" site but no SQL Server Express site. I _really_ think there should be to address Express-specific issues. The SQL Server site is kinda intimidating. -- __________________________________________________________________________ William R. Vaughn President and Founder Beta V Corporation Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa Microsoft MVP (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [quoted text, click to view] "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:atu9v3tevlqpjpj8ca72i0rmss664fgrm3@4ax.com... > I'll pass the word on to the powers-that-be. > > --Mary > > On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 13:06:49 +0200, "Cor Ligthert [MVP]" > <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote: > >>Miha, >> >>AFAIK there are no managed forums, the purpose of my message was mostly to >>the MSFT, so that they can use this message to let there be a >>microsoft.public.dotnet.linq newsgroup. >> >>That would not only make this newsgroup more clear. >> >>Cor >> >>"Miha Markic" <miha at rthand com> schreef in bericht >>news:%2319mJmWlIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> This is an ADO.NET newsgroup. However, since there is no LINQ to SQL nor >>> EF newsgroup I guess it makes sense to post here if one doesn't want to >>> go >>> with web forums at >>> http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ >>> >>> -- >>> Miha Markic [MVP C#, INETA Country Leader for Slovenia] >>> RightHand .NET consulting & development www.rthand.com >>> Blog: http://cs.rthand.com/blogs/blog_with_righthand/ >>> >>> "Cor Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nl> wrote in message >>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >>>> Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >>>> >>>> As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. >>>> >>>> Cor >>> >>
I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read
one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow? Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were. God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you were on again. I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking for the red entry. It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, I think it's still grey. Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) RobinS. GoldMail.com (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) [quoted text, click to view] <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here onnews:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. Could someone enumerate the advantages of microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of this newsgroup I am missing? I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a better place. On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> [quoted text, click to view] wrote:
> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. > > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > William R. Vaughn > President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor > Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message > > news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... > > > > > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? > > > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. > > > Cor- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had
done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds. This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the newsgroups. Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process FASTER I won't be back. -- __________________________________________________________________________ William R. Vaughn President and Founder Beta V Corporation Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa Microsoft MVP (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [quoted text, click to view] "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com... >I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read >one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You >have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow? > > Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a > newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see > all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're > answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, you > can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one you are > responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to back > up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were. > > God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, and > click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing GoBack 2 > or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you were on > again. > > I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can mark > something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking for the > red entry. > > It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you > haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one > comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and > it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, I > think it's still grey. > > Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? > > I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the > newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a > dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the > forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) > > RobinS. > GoldMail.com > (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) > > > <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... > I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on > microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. > As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend > time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. > > Could someone enumerate the advantages of > microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums > (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? > Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of > this newsgroup I am missing? > > I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so > this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. > > Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I > know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish > they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the > notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, > etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the > MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working > with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a > better place. > > On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> > wrote: >> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. >> >> -- >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> William R. Vaughn >> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >> Microsoft MVP >> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >> ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor >> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message >> >> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >> >> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. >> >> > Cor- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - >
I MEANT the MSDN Forums.=20
--=20 _________________________________________________________________________= _ William R. Vaughn President and Founder Beta V Corporation Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa Microsoft MVP (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) _________________________________________________________________________= ___________________ [quoted text, click to view] "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message = _________________________________________________________________________=news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com... >I just fired up the newsgroups (should be FORUMS) 'cause a friend of = mine at MS said they had=20 > done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 = seconds=20 > to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows Mail = (ugh)=20 > and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost another = 90=20 > seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated fingerprint = > reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed out = the=20 > first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and waited = 90=20 > seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a = growing=20 > green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds. >=20 > This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a = > single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the=20 > newsgroups. >=20 > Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with = the=20 > UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process = FASTER I=20 > won't be back. >=20 > --=20 > = _ [quoted text, click to view] > William R. Vaughn _________________________________________________________________________=> President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > = ___________________ [quoted text, click to view] > "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message=20 news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...=> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com... >>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You = read=20 >>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? = You=20 >>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are = slow? >> >> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a=20 >> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can = see=20 >> all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if = you're=20 >> answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the = thread, you=20 >> can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one = you are=20 >> responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have to = back=20 >> up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were. >> >> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a = question, and=20 >> click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing = GoBack 2=20 >> or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page you = were on=20 >> again. >> >> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can = mark=20 >> something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking = for the=20 >> red entry. >> >> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you=20 >> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new = one=20 >> comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it = and=20 >> it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes = in, I=20 >> think it's still grey. >> >> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? >> >> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the=20 >> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a = >> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the = >> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) >> >> RobinS. >> GoldMail.com >> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) >> >> >> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message=20 >> = [quoted text, click to view] >> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on _________________________________________________________________________=>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. >> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend >> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. >> >> Could someone enumerate the advantages of >> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums >> (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? >> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage = of >> this newsgroup I am missing? >> >> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so >> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. >> >> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I >> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish >> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the >> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, >> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the >> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working >> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a >> better place. >> >> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> >> wrote: >>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. >>> >>> -- >>> = _ [quoted text, click to view] >>> William R. Vaughn _________________________________________________________________________=>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>> Microsoft MVP >>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>> = __=AD_________________"Cor=20 [quoted text, click to view] >>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >>> >>> >>> >>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >>> >>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the = moment. >>> >>> > Cor- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >>=20
EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are supposed
to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all. RobinS. GoldMail.com [quoted text, click to view] "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com... >I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had >done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 >seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows >Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost >another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated >fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login timed >out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question and >waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other than a >growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more seconds. > > This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a > single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the > newsgroups. > > Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with the > UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process FASTER I > won't be back. > > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > William R. Vaughn > President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > ____________________________________________________________________________________________ > "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message > news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com... >>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read >>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You >>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow? >> >> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a >> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can see >> all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if you're >> answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the thread, >> you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of the one >> you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu don't have >> to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where you were. >> >> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, >> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing >> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page >> you were on again. >> >> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can >> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking >> for the red entry. >> >> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you >> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new one >> comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read it and >> it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer comes in, >> I think it's still grey. >> >> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? >> >> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the >> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a >> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the >> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) >> >> RobinS. >> GoldMail.com >> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) >> >> >> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... >> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on >> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. >> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend >> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. >> >> Could someone enumerate the advantages of >> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums >> (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? >> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of >> this newsgroup I am missing? >> >> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so >> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. >> >> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I >> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish >> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the >> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, >> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the >> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working >> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a >> better place. >> >> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> >> wrote: >>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. >>> >>> -- >>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>> William R. Vaughn >>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>> Microsoft MVP >>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor >>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message >>> >>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >>> >>> >>> >>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >>> >>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. >>> >>> > Cor- Hide quoted text - >>> >>> - Show quoted text - >> >
I talked to one of the senior engineers and he tells me the Expressions site
is just the first to go live. The others will be upgraded before the next President is elected--assuming MS lasts that long... ;) -- __________________________________________________________________________ William R. Vaughn President and Founder Beta V Corporation Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa Microsoft MVP (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [quoted text, click to view] "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message
news:YNWdnbL8OI5Ui2banZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com... > EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are > supposed to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all. > > RobinS. > GoldMail.com > > "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message > news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com... >>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they had >>done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 >>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows >>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost >>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated >>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login >>timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question >>and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other >>than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more >>seconds. >> >> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a >> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the >> newsgroups. >> >> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with >> the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process >> FASTER I won't be back. >> >> -- >> __________________________________________________________________________ >> William R. Vaughn >> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >> Microsoft MVP >> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >> ____________________________________________________________________________________________ >> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message >> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com... >>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You read >>>one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original list? You >>>have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they are slow? >>> >>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a >>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can >>> see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if >>> you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the >>> thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of >>> the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu >>> don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where >>> you were. >>> >>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, >>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing >>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page >>> you were on again. >>> >>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can >>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking >>> for the red entry. >>> >>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you >>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new >>> one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read >>> it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer >>> comes in, I think it's still grey. >>> >>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? >>> >>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the >>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a >>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the >>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) >>> >>> RobinS. >>> GoldMail.com >>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) >>> >>> >>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... >>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on >>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. >>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend >>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. >>> >>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of >>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums >>> (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? >>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of >>> this newsgroup I am missing? >>> >>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so >>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. >>> >>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I >>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish >>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the >>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, >>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the >>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working >>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a >>> better place. >>> >>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> >>> wrote: >>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>>> William R. Vaughn >>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>>> Microsoft MVP >>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor >>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message >>>> >>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > Is this a FrameWork.ADONET or a LINQ newsgroup? >>>> >>>> > As I see so many non LINQ to ADONET questions answered at the moment. >>>> >>>> > Cor- Hide quoted text - >>>> >>>> - Show quoted text - >>> >> >
That's good news. That, and just thinking about having a new President,
makes me feel all glowy inside. :-D RobinS. GoldMail.com [quoted text, click to view] "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message
news:25F0C184-5EC9-4E30-82B8-66BC786988A5@microsoft.com... >I talked to one of the senior engineers and he tells me the Expressions >site is just the first to go live. The others will be upgraded before the >next President is elected--assuming MS lasts that long... ;) > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > William R. Vaughn > President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > ____________________________________________________________________________________________ > "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message > news:YNWdnbL8OI5Ui2banZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com... >> EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are >> supposed to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all. >> >> RobinS. >> GoldMail.com >> >> "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message >> news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com... >>>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they >>>had done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 >>>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows >>>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost >>>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated >>>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login >>>timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question >>>and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other >>>than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more >>>seconds. >>> >>> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a >>> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the >>> newsgroups. >>> >>> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with >>> the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process >>> FASTER I won't be back. >>> >>> -- >>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>> William R. Vaughn >>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>> Microsoft MVP >>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message >>> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You >>>>read one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original >>>>list? You have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they >>>>are slow? >>>> >>>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a >>>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can >>>> see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if >>>> you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the >>>> thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of >>>> the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu >>>> don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where >>>> you were. >>>> >>>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, >>>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing >>>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page >>>> you were on again. >>>> >>>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can >>>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking >>>> for the red entry. >>>> >>>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you >>>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new >>>> one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read >>>> it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer >>>> comes in, I think it's still grey. >>>> >>>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? >>>> >>>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the >>>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a >>>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the >>>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) >>>> >>>> RobinS. >>>> GoldMail.com >>>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) >>>> >>>> >>>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... >>>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on >>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. >>>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend >>>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. >>>> >>>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of >>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums >>>> (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? >>>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of >>>> this newsgroup I am missing? >>>> >>>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so >>>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. >>>> >>>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I >>>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish >>>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the >>>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, >>>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the >>>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working >>>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a >>>> better place. >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> William R. Vaughn >>>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>>>> Microsoft MVP >>>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor >>>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message >>>>>
William,
With President you mean that brand for French cheese? :-) Cor "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> schreef in bericht news:25F0C184-5EC9-4E30-82B8-66BC786988A5@microsoft.com... [quoted text, click to view] >I talked to one of the senior engineers and he tells me the Expressions
>site is just the first to go live. The others will be upgraded before the >next President is elected--assuming MS lasts that long... ;) > -- > __________________________________________________________________________ > William R. Vaughn > President and Founder Beta V Corporation > Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa > Microsoft MVP > (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) > Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) > ____________________________________________________________________________________________ > "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message > news:YNWdnbL8OI5Ui2banZ2dnUVZ_tKinZ2d@comcast.com... >> EXACTLY!! I heard a rumor that the ones they have in beta that are >> supposed to be fast are the Expression ones, which helps me not at all. >> >> RobinS. >> GoldMail.com >> >> "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote in message >> news:CC2B8EE7-5D27-4601-B88B-50A560DD13CC@microsoft.com... >>>I just fired up the newsgroups 'cause a friend of mine at MS said they >>>had done a lot of work on them to make the experience better. It took 28 >>>seconds to get to the first screen. It took 4 seconds to get the Windows >>>Mail (ugh) and the newsgroup connected. I then had to sign in. This cost >>>another 90 seconds--it would have been longer but I have an automated >>>fingerprint reader in my system. Incidentally, the Windows Live login >>>timed out the first time. It worded the second try. I clicked a question >>>and waited 90 seconds before clicking it again--still no response other >>>than a growing green bar at the bottom. It finally appeared after 64 more >>>seconds. >>> >>> This is totally unacceptable. It took me almost 10 minutes to answer a >>> single question. I can answer or review over 5 times that many in the >>> newsgroups. >>> >>> Microsoft: This is why I still don't use the forums. You can dink with >>> the UI all you want, but until you figure out how to make the process >>> FASTER I won't be back. >>> >>> -- >>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>> William R. Vaughn >>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>> Microsoft MVP >>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> "RobinS" <robins@imnottelling.com> wrote in message >>> news:o_Wdnb_eF8vbMGTanZ2dnUVZ_u-unZ2d@comcast.com... >>>>I spend time in both places. The MSDN forums are painfully slow. You >>>>read one message, respond to it, how do you get back to the original >>>>list? You have to reload it. Or go back 2 or 3 times. Did I mention they >>>>are slow? >>>> >>>> Reading messages in the microsoft.public.dotnet.* newsgroups with a >>>> newsreader like Windows Mail or Outlook Express is very fast. You can >>>> see all of the messages at one time rather then 25 at a time. And if >>>> you're answering a message and want to see one that is earlier in the >>>> thread, you can do that, rather than just seeing the specific entry of >>>> the one you are responding to. And after you respond, you're done. YOu >>>> don't have to back up, or try to reload the list and figure out where >>>> you were. >>>> >>>> God forbid you're on page 2 or 3 on a forum and you answer a question, >>>> and click on the forum name to get back to the list rather than doing >>>> GoBack 2 or 3 times. If you do that, then you have to go find the page >>>> you were on again. >>>> >>>> I like the alerts in the forums. Here, with OE or WindowsMail you can >>>> mark something, but I don't know how to get back to it short of looking >>>> for the red entry. >>>> >>>> It's easier with the newsgroups to see what you've read and what you >>>> haven't. You can read multiple entries under a thread, and when a new >>>> one comes in, that comes in a new. With the newsgroups, once I've read >>>> it and it's marked in grey (how attractive is that?), if a new answer >>>> comes in, I think it's still grey. >>>> >>>> Did I mention the MSDN Forums are really slow? >>>> >>>> I also feel like there are more people answering questions in the >>>> newsgroups. I see the same people over and over, and there are like a >>>> dozen or so of them. I'm not sure the participation is as high in the >>>> forums. Probably because they're slow. Did I mention that? ;-) >>>> >>>> RobinS. >>>> GoldMail.com >>>> (RobinDotNet in the ClickOnce forums) >>>> >>>> >>>> <turkdude777@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:25e22186-42b5-4923-81f6-1cfa25e07207@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com... >>>> I spend most of my time on the MSDN forums and not here on >>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet. >>>> As a SQL Server developer, I am encouraged by my management to spend >>>> time every week on the MSDN forums to help build community support. >>>> >>>> Could someone enumerate the advantages of >>>> microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.adonet versus the msdn forums >>>> (http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn)? >>>> Why not just use the MSDN forums? Is there some inherent advantage of >>>> this newsgroup I am missing? >>>> >>>> I understand that this newsgroup has been around for a long time so >>>> this is good, I see there are good MVPs here too. >>>> >>>> Also is there some perception of a disadvantage to MSDN forums? I >>>> know for myself the requirement for Live ID is really annoying I wish >>>> they would get rid of this, but one advantage of this is the >>>> notifcation services (I get notified when people respond to my posts, >>>> etc). I suppose this could be implemented without Live ID. Also the >>>> MSDN forums in general I don't like the interface. I've been working >>>> with MSDN forums internally to improve all these items to make it a >>>> better place. >>>> >>>> On Apr 3, 8:46 am, "William Vaughn [MVP]" <billvaNoS...@betav.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> LINQ is implemented in ADO.NET 3.5. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> __________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> William R. Vaughn >>>>> President and Founder Beta V Corporation >>>>> Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa >>>>> Microsoft MVP >>>>> (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) >>>>> Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) >>>>> ____________________________________________________________________________________________"Cor >>>>> Ligthert[MVP]" <notmyfirstn...@planet.nl> wrote in message >>>>> >>>>> news:09FC8D8A-CF86-4773-94A2-ECFFC5C61866@microsoft.com... >>>>>
I agree, but they don't listen to me for some reason :) As an MVP, you
probably have a better chance than I do. --Mary On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:21:52 -0700, "William Vaughn [MVP]" [quoted text, click to view] <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote:
>Mary, (now that you're on the inside), could you mention that there is an >"MSDE" site but no SQL Server Express site. I _really_ think there should >be to address Express-specific issues. The SQL Server site is kinda
Yea, been there done that. Isn't it strange how MS won't listen to its own
talented, experienced people but it will listen to a yahoo like me or some guy running CP/M in Duluth Minnesota. -- __________________________________________________________________________ William R. Vaughn President and Founder Beta V Corporation Author, Mentor, Dad, Grandpa Microsoft MVP (425) 556-9205 (Pacific time) Hitchhiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQL Server (7th Edition) ____________________________________________________________________________________________ [quoted text, click to view] "Mary Chipman [MSFT]" <mchip@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:mft104h02ok282k2nu36sgjcfgb4iltkif@4ax.com... >I agree, but they don't listen to me for some reason :) As an MVP, you > probably have a better chance than I do. > > --Mary > > On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:21:52 -0700, "William Vaughn [MVP]" > <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote: > >>Mary, (now that you're on the inside), could you mention that there is an >>"MSDE" site but no SQL Server Express site. I _really_ think there >>should >>be to address Express-specific issues. The SQL Server site is kinda >>intimidating.
Well, I can't say they don't *listen* to us, but actual decisions are
made based on other criteria. At this point it looks like things are tipping towards the forums and away from the newsgroups, so they're unlikely to add a new newsgroup at this point ;-( -Mary On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:07:45 -0700, "William Vaughn [MVP]" [quoted text, click to view] <billvaNoSPAM@betav.com> wrote:
>Yea, been there done that. Isn't it strange how MS won't listen to its own >talented, experienced people but it will listen to a yahoo like me or some
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