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The you see ends up getting compiled. You will find a
considerable speed improvement in .NET (whether you write it by hand or via Visual Studio .NET) compared to anything you write in classic ASP. If you (or your company) will purchase Visual Studio .NET, get it and use it. If you follow the guidelines and design practices, your code will be a ton easier to support and extend. Trust me... -- 2005 Microsoft MVP C# Robbe Morris http://www.robbemorris.com http://www.mastervb.net/home/ng/forumvbcode/post10017013.aspx http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/adonet_source_code_generator.asp [quoted text, click to view] "CraigC" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23TxxglTGFHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > hi, > > i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. > > is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces > compared, especially when connecting to databases ? > > i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file > when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code impact > on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before the code is > compiled ? > > thanks in advance > > craig >
<<The you see ends up getting compiled>>
Not if he is asking about HTML. As long as you are using VS.NET 2003, you should stick to hand-coding the static HTML portion of your ASPX pages; that is unless you don't mind that VS.NET 2003 creates bloated HTML and will periodically rearrange it for you (a well-known problem). Most developers of non trivial ASPX pages use FrontPage or Dreamweaver for the HTML portion and VS.NET 2003 for everything else. Apparently there are claims that VS.NET 2005 does a much better job with HTML. -HTH [quoted text, click to view] "Robbe Morris [C# MVP]" <info@turnkeytools.com> wrote in message news:OkbgwwTGFHA.2588@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > The you see ends up getting compiled. You will find a > considerable speed improvement in .NET (whether you write > it by hand or via Visual Studio .NET) compared to anything > you write in classic ASP. > > If you (or your company) will purchase Visual Studio .NET, > get it and use it. If you follow the guidelines and design practices, > your code will be a ton easier to support and extend. > > Trust me... > > -- > 2005 Microsoft MVP C# > Robbe Morris > http://www.robbemorris.com > http://www.mastervb.net/home/ng/forumvbcode/post10017013.aspx > http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/adonet_source_code_generator.asp > > > > "CraigC" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:%23TxxglTGFHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >> hi, >> >> i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. >> >> is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces >> compared, especially when connecting to databases ? >> >> i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file >> when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code >> impact on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before the >> code is compiled ? >> >> thanks in advance >> >> craig >> > >
OOPS - he was in fact asking about code-behind specifically...
[quoted text, click to view] "Smithers" <JaySmithers@OnceOver.com> wrote in message news:%23x%23UBeVGFHA.2736@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > <<The you see ends up getting compiled>> > Not if he is asking about HTML. > > As long as you are using VS.NET 2003, you should stick to hand-coding the > static HTML portion of your ASPX pages; that is unless you don't mind that > VS.NET 2003 creates bloated HTML and will periodically rearrange it for > you (a well-known problem). Most developers of non trivial ASPX pages use > FrontPage or Dreamweaver for the HTML portion and VS.NET 2003 for > everything else. Apparently there are claims that VS.NET 2005 does a much > better job with HTML. > > -HTH > > > > "Robbe Morris [C# MVP]" <info@turnkeytools.com> wrote in message > news:OkbgwwTGFHA.2588@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> The you see ends up getting compiled. You will find a >> considerable speed improvement in .NET (whether you write >> it by hand or via Visual Studio .NET) compared to anything >> you write in classic ASP. >> >> If you (or your company) will purchase Visual Studio .NET, >> get it and use it. If you follow the guidelines and design practices, >> your code will be a ton easier to support and extend. >> >> Trust me... >> >> -- >> 2005 Microsoft MVP C# >> Robbe Morris >> http://www.robbemorris.com >> http://www.mastervb.net/home/ng/forumvbcode/post10017013.aspx >> http://www.eggheadcafe.com/articles/adonet_source_code_generator.asp >> >> >> >> "CraigC" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:%23TxxglTGFHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... >>> hi, >>> >>> i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. >>> >>> is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces >>> compared, especially when connecting to databases ? >>> >>> i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file >>> when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code >>> impact on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before >>> the code is compiled ? >>> >>> thanks in advance >>> >>> craig >>> >> >> > >
hi,
i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces compared, especially when connecting to databases ? i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code impact on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before the code is compiled ? thanks in advance craig
I do almost all hand-coding and I definitely love have VS2003's editor for
code and debugging (stepping through), although the HTML part of the interface sucks compared to Dreamweaver. [quoted text, click to view] "CraigC" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23TxxglTGFHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > hi, > > i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. > > is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces compared, > especially when connecting to databases ? > > i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file > when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code impact > on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before the code is > compiled ? > > thanks in advance > > craig > >
Thanks for the replies guys.
Kevin, what do you mean - do you hand code EVERYTHING ? At the moment, I'm worried about the amount of "Web Form Designer Generated Code" that VS creates in my code behind files - will this have an impact on the speed of my applications ? Am I best to stick to VS or learn to code everything manually ? Thanks Craig *** Sent via Developersdex http://www.developersdex.com ***
I use Visual Studio.Net AND hand-code everything...
-- HTH, Kevin Spencer Microsoft MVP ..Net Developer Neither a follower nor a lender be. [quoted text, click to view] "CraigC" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23TxxglTGFHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > hi, > > i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. > > is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces > compared, especially when connecting to databases ? > > i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file > when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code impact > on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before the code is > compiled ? > > thanks in advance > > craig >
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> Kevin, what do you mean - do you hand code EVERYTHING ? Pretty much. I don't use the wizards and drag /n Drop tools very much. I do use the toolbox to put custom controls into. And I do drag 'n Drop them. But that's just to get the basic syntax. Then I go in and revise the code generated by hand. And most of the work in my projects is conducted by business classes, so the pages are pretty lean. [quoted text, click to view] > Am I best to stick to VS or learn to code everything manually ? I would say both. For one thing, VS.Net has all kinds of helper tools, such as Intellisense, which I make use of religiously. The Debugger is irreplaceable. And you can use VS.Net to create your initial code, which you can then "tweak" by hand. So, i'ts a real productivity booster. -- HTH, Kevin Spencer Microsoft MVP ..Net Developer Neither a follower nor a lender be. [quoted text, click to view] "Craig C" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23978yUbGFHA.3612@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Thanks for the replies guys. > > Kevin, what do you mean - do you hand code EVERYTHING ? > > At the moment, I'm worried about the amount of "Web Form Designer > Generated Code" that VS creates in my code behind files - will this have > an impact on the speed of my applications ? > > Am I best to stick to VS or learn to code everything manually ? > > Thanks > > Craig > > > > *** Sent via Developersdex http://www.developersdex.com *** > Don't just participate in USENET...get rewarded for it!
I create code by hand and have found that hand coded work is not compatible
with VS and vice versa. hence microsoft's multiple versions of the portal starter kit (vs and sdk, for C# and vb). for me, hand coding is faster. [quoted text, click to view] "CraigC" <craigc@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23TxxglTGFHA.1068@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > hi, > > i'm a classic asp developer who is used to hand coding everything. > > is there a performance hit to the code that visual studio produces > compared, especially when connecting to databases ? > > i notice that vs inserts large swathes of code into the code behind file > when i drag a table from the server explorer. does this hidden code impact > on performance or is it used purely by vs and discarded before the code is > compiled ? > > thanks in advance > > craig >
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