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Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and
wondered if anyone could help. I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but having major probs with this one. I attach an email with details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! START OF MESSAGE Sys Admin: We could give the anonymous user higher level of access by default - this would however pose a security risk to his site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be to longer before the site got defaced. Sales: How has this worked for him before, what is it that other hosts are doing that we aren't? Sys Admin: The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as ours. You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody would have to remember their password but would it make it "better"??? Sales: Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we do it this way is because of security concerns? Sys Admin: Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight Each site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited access to the servers, everything but supported file extensions and technologies are switched off. Sales: But the customer has other sites with us with the config but he hasn't come across this problem. Sys Admin: We do however (because of the security of the individual IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the customers "\www\" directory. However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. What the customer requires us to do is turn on what would allow anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - which can be a problem... Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk permissions which should allow your customer to upload - but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run a "server health check", which is usually what is done when someone reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at some point or another)..
The reason that I am doing it using an ASP script is
because it is part of a content management system, and the user is not FTP savvy! Thanks [quoted text, click to view] >-----Original Message-----
>Hi Dave, > >If I understand this correctly, you could use FTP to upload the image. FTP >upload is "scriptable". E.g. > >************ >ftp >open 10.10.10.10 >username >password >binary >cd directory >put "file.jpg" >bye >************ > >open 10.10.10.10 tells the script to open FTP connection on 10.10.10.10 >"username" is username used to logon to this FTP >"password" is password for "username" used to logon to this FTP >binary sets binary transfer mode (instead if ASCII) >cd directory changes folder to "directory" >put "file.jpg" upload file.jpg to FTP server >bye will end connection with FTP server. > >Most important thing about this script is that it is stored in secured >folder where only authorized users have access to. Password in batch file is >in clear text and anyone with access could read it... > >I hope this helps, > >Mike > >"Dave" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >news:761401c494f0$83b95680$a601280a@phx.gbl... >> Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and >> wondered if anyone could help. >> >> I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a >> directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write >> permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but >> having major probs with this one. I attach an email with >> details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if >> it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! >> >> >> START OF MESSAGE >> >> Sys Admin: >> We could give the anonymous user higher level of access by >> default - this would however pose a security risk to his >> site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will >> sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be to >> longer before the site got defaced. >> >> Sales: >> How has this worked for him before, what is it that other >> hosts are doing that we aren't? >> >> Sys Admin: >> The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as >> ours. >> >> You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody >> would have to remember their password but would it make >> it "better"??? >> >> Sales: >> Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we >> do it this way is because of security concerns? >> >> Sys Admin: >> Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight Each >> site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is >> switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited >> access to the servers, everything but supported file >> extensions and technologies are switched off. >> >> Sales: >> But the customer has other sites with us with the config >> but he hasn't come across this problem. >> >> Sys Admin: >> We do however (because of the security of the individual >> IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the >> customers "\www\" directory. >> However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read >> only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. What >> the customer requires us to do is turn on what would allow >> anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - >> which can be a problem... >> >> Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk >> permissions which should allow your customer to upload - >> but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run a "server >> health check", which is usually what is done when someone >> reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at >> some point or another).. >> > > >.
Here are two options
Option 1) First FPSE is a pain in A** next the solution is this Create a new page on your website and use the Frontpage form from the Insert menu in the toolbar. once you insert this form it will ask you where do you want the files to uploaded to. Select the folder you want. I use "upload" of course you will have to create the folder first. Now right click on this folder >>> properties >> and select allow anonymous upload to this directory. Now go to your browser and type in the URL of your upload page you can now upload anything you want upto 2MB Maybe 4 I don't remeber? Well anyhow... This page will be exposed to anyone and FP will not restrict uploads of file extensions. But you can protect the page I will show you how later. Just tell me if it works from here. Option 2) You can use a commercial asp upload program such as aspsmartupload or aspupload. Go here and see if this is what you are looking for www.animocracy.com also the FP upload is located here www.tech1solutions.com enter the site and then see on the left the menu that says submit files Username >>> submit Password >>> file You will see a confirmation form after w00t! Joe [quoted text, click to view] >-----Original Message-----
>Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and >wondered if anyone could help. > >I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a >directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write >permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but >having major probs with this one. I attach an email with >details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if >it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! > > >START OF MESSAGE > >Sys Admin: >We could give the anonymous user higher level of access by >default - this would however pose a security risk to his >site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will >sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be to >longer before the site got defaced. > >Sales: >How has this worked for him before, what is it that other >hosts are doing that we aren't? > >Sys Admin: >The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as >ours. > >You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody >would have to remember their password but would it make >it "better"??? > >Sales: >Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we >do it this way is because of security concerns? > >Sys Admin: >Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight Each >site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is >switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited >access to the servers, everything but supported file >extensions and technologies are switched off. > >Sales: >But the customer has other sites with us with the config >but he hasn't come across this problem. > >Sys Admin: >We do however (because of the security of the individual >IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the >customers "\www\" directory. >However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read >only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. What >the customer requires us to do is turn on what would allow >anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - >which can be a problem... > >Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk >permissions which should allow your customer to upload - >but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run a "server >health check", which is usually what is done when someone >reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at >some point or another).. > >.
Hi Dave,
If I understand this correctly, you could use FTP to upload the image. FTP upload is "scriptable". E.g. ************ ftp open 10.10.10.10 username password binary cd directory put "file.jpg" bye ************ open 10.10.10.10 tells the script to open FTP connection on 10.10.10.10 "username" is username used to logon to this FTP "password" is password for "username" used to logon to this FTP binary sets binary transfer mode (instead if ASCII) cd directory changes folder to "directory" put "file.jpg" upload file.jpg to FTP server bye will end connection with FTP server. Most important thing about this script is that it is stored in secured folder where only authorized users have access to. Password in batch file is in clear text and anyone with access could read it... I hope this helps, Mike [quoted text, click to view] "Dave" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:761401c494f0$83b95680$a601280a@phx.gbl... > Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and > wondered if anyone could help. > > I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a > directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write > permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but > having major probs with this one. I attach an email with > details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if > it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! > > > START OF MESSAGE > > Sys Admin: > We could give the anonymous user higher level of access by > default - this would however pose a security risk to his > site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will > sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be to > longer before the site got defaced. > > Sales: > How has this worked for him before, what is it that other > hosts are doing that we aren't? > > Sys Admin: > The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as > ours. > > You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody > would have to remember their password but would it make > it "better"??? > > Sales: > Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we > do it this way is because of security concerns? > > Sys Admin: > Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight Each > site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is > switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited > access to the servers, everything but supported file > extensions and technologies are switched off. > > Sales: > But the customer has other sites with us with the config > but he hasn't come across this problem. > > Sys Admin: > We do however (because of the security of the individual > IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the > customers "\www\" directory. > However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read > only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. What > the customer requires us to do is turn on what would allow > anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - > which can be a problem... > > Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk > permissions which should allow your customer to upload - > but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run a "server > health check", which is usually what is done when someone > reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at > some point or another).. >
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:36:59 -0700, "Dave"
[quoted text, click to view] <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and >wondered if anyone could help. > >I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a >directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write >permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but >having major probs with this one. I attach an email with >details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if >it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! Not rubbish. Have your host uninstall FrontPage extensions and never use FP to manage your server. It configures its own settings that may break other changes you wish made.
Thanks Joe,
I am already using aspUpload, and that is where you need the write permissions on the folder. I have already tried the FP solution of right clicking the folder, but get a "Server Error: Not permitted..." Grrrrrrr.... [quoted text, click to view] >-----Original Message-----
>Here are two options > >Option 1) >First FPSE is a pain in A** >next the solution is this > >Create a new page on your website and use the Frontpage >form from the Insert menu in the toolbar. > >once you insert this form it will ask you where do you >want the files to uploaded to. Select the folder you want. >I use "upload" of course you will have to create the >folder first. Now right click on this folder >>> >properties >> and select allow anonymous upload to this >directory. > >Now go to your browser and type in the URL of your upload >page you can now upload anything you want upto 2MB Maybe 4 >I don't remeber? > >Well anyhow... > >This page will be exposed to anyone and FP will not >restrict uploads of file extensions. But you can protect >the page I will show you how later. Just tell me if it >works from here. > >Option 2) > >You can use a commercial asp upload program such as >aspsmartupload or aspupload. > >Go here and see if this is what you are looking for > >www.animocracy.com > >also the FP upload >is located here > >www.tech1solutions.com >enter the site and then see on the left the menu that says >submit files > >Username >>> submit >Password >>> file > >You will see a confirmation form after > >w00t! >Joe > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and >>wondered if anyone could help. >> >>I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a >>directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write >>permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but >>having major probs with this one. I attach an email with >>details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if >>it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! >> >> >>START OF MESSAGE >> >>Sys Admin: >>We could give the anonymous user higher level of access >by >>default - this would however pose a security risk to his >>site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will >>sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be >to >>longer before the site got defaced. >> >>Sales: >>How has this worked for him before, what is it that other >>hosts are doing that we aren't? >> >>Sys Admin: >>The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as >>ours. >> >>You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody >>would have to remember their password but would it make >>it "better"??? >> >>Sales: >>Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we >>do it this way is because of security concerns? >> >>Sys Admin: >>Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight Each >>site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is >>switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited >>access to the servers, everything but supported file >>extensions and technologies are switched off. >> >>Sales: >>But the customer has other sites with us with the config >>but he hasn't come across this problem. >> >>Sys Admin: >>We do however (because of the security of the individual >>IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the >>customers "\www\" directory. >>However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read >>only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. >What >>the customer requires us to do is turn on what would >allow >>anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - >>which can be a problem... >> >>Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk >>permissions which should allow your customer to upload - >>but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run a "server >>health check", which is usually what is done when someone >>reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at >>some point or another).. >> >>. >> >.
If your host cannot give you the correct permissions then
it is most difficult to fix. Because it is out of your hands. I have already tried the FP solution of right clicking the folder, but get a "Server Error: Not permitted..." All this is is the server not allowing anonymous access in FPSE and the IIS not set correctly. FPSE wants to control everything. In the FPSE the host will need to give the browser anonymous access and also allow Authoring. 9this is done in the (Sharepoint Administration) then go to the Page you created to upload in the IIS manager. Once you are there right click the page >>> properties >> Directory security>> edit, remove the check mark on Windows integrated Authentication and use the Send in clear text method. This will protect the page and once you get in you should be able to upload if the host will cooperate. Where is the URL of this page now Dave? AS I read in your email they were worried about anonymous sweeping well this fixes that.The web remains anonymouse to the browser and then protected by the IIS Authentication method. Just that one page also I have IIS 6.0 so it will work I do it all the time Joe [quoted text, click to view] >-----Original Message-----
>Thanks Joe, > >I am already using aspUpload, and that is where you need >the write permissions on the folder. > >I have already tried the FP solution of right clicking the >folder, but get a "Server Error: Not permitted..." > >Grrrrrrr.... > >>-----Original Message----- >>Here are two options >> >>Option 1) >>First FPSE is a pain in A** >>next the solution is this >> >>Create a new page on your website and use the Frontpage >>form from the Insert menu in the toolbar. >> >>once you insert this form it will ask you where do you >>want the files to uploaded to. Select the folder you want. >>I use "upload" of course you will have to create the >>folder first. Now right click on this folder >>> >>properties >> and select allow anonymous upload to this >>directory. >> >>Now go to your browser and type in the URL of your upload >>page you can now upload anything you want upto 2MB Maybe >4 >>I don't remeber? >> >>Well anyhow... >> >>This page will be exposed to anyone and FP will not >>restrict uploads of file extensions. But you can protect >>the page I will show you how later. Just tell me if it >>works from here. >> >>Option 2) >> >>You can use a commercial asp upload program such as >>aspsmartupload or aspupload. >> >>Go here and see if this is what you are looking for >> >>www.animocracy.com >> >>also the FP upload >>is located here >> >>www.tech1solutions.com >>enter the site and then see on the left the menu that >says >>submit files >> >>Username >>> submit >>Password >>> file >> >>You will see a confirmation form after >> >>w00t! >>Joe >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and >>>wondered if anyone could help. >>> >>>I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a >>>directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write >>>permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but >>>having major probs with this one. I attach an email with >>>details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if >>>it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! >>> >>> >>>START OF MESSAGE >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>We could give the anonymous user higher level of access >>by >>>default - this would however pose a security risk to his >>>site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will >>>sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be >>to >>>longer before the site got defaced. >>> >>>Sales: >>>How has this worked for him before, what is it that >other >>>hosts are doing that we aren't? >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as >>>ours. >>> >>>You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody >>>would have to remember their password but would it make >>>it "better"??? >>> >>>Sales: >>>Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we >>>do it this way is because of security concerns? >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight >Each >>>site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is >>>switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited >>>access to the servers, everything but supported file >>>extensions and technologies are switched off. >>> >>>Sales: >>>But the customer has other sites with us with the config >>>but he hasn't come across this problem. >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>We do however (because of the security of the individual >>>IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the >>>customers "\www\" directory. >>>However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read >>>only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. >>What >>>the customer requires us to do is turn on what would >>allow >>>anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - >>>which can be a problem... >>> >>>Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk >>>permissions which should allow your customer to upload - >>>but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run >a "server >>>health check", which is usually what is done when >someone >>>reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at >>>some point or another).. >>> >>>. >>> >>. >> >.
Dave the same method can be used with ASpupload
Just tell them how to do it. Keep the page open(anonymous) and with write permissions and then put it on a sever HTTPS URL and then Use the IIS Authentication method password sent in clear text. If they need to see it in action send them to www.animocracy.com and select it from the second drop down box. I just added it to help you out. Thay may understand this much easier. Good luck Joe [quoted text, click to view] >-----Original Message-----
>Thanks Joe, > >I am already using aspUpload, and that is where you need >the write permissions on the folder. > >I have already tried the FP solution of right clicking the >folder, but get a "Server Error: Not permitted..." > >Grrrrrrr.... > >>-----Original Message----- >>Here are two options >> >>Option 1) >>First FPSE is a pain in A** >>next the solution is this >> >>Create a new page on your website and use the Frontpage >>form from the Insert menu in the toolbar. >> >>once you insert this form it will ask you where do you >>want the files to uploaded to. Select the folder you want. >>I use "upload" of course you will have to create the >>folder first. Now right click on this folder >>> >>properties >> and select allow anonymous upload to this >>directory. >> >>Now go to your browser and type in the URL of your upload >>page you can now upload anything you want upto 2MB Maybe >4 >>I don't remeber? >> >>Well anyhow... >> >>This page will be exposed to anyone and FP will not >>restrict uploads of file extensions. But you can protect >>the page I will show you how later. Just tell me if it >>works from here. >> >>Option 2) >> >>You can use a commercial asp upload program such as >>aspsmartupload or aspupload. >> >>Go here and see if this is what you are looking for >> >>www.animocracy.com >> >>also the FP upload >>is located here >> >>www.tech1solutions.com >>enter the site and then see on the left the menu that >says >>submit files >> >>Username >>> submit >>Password >>> file >> >>You will see a confirmation form after >> >>w00t! >>Joe >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and >>>wondered if anyone could help. >>> >>>I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a >>>directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write >>>permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but >>>having major probs with this one. I attach an email with >>>details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if >>>it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! >>> >>> >>>START OF MESSAGE >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>We could give the anonymous user higher level of access >>by >>>default - this would however pose a security risk to his >>>site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will >>>sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be >>to >>>longer before the site got defaced. >>> >>>Sales: >>>How has this worked for him before, what is it that >other >>>hosts are doing that we aren't? >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as >>>ours. >>> >>>You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody >>>would have to remember their password but would it make >>>it "better"??? >>> >>>Sales: >>>Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we >>>do it this way is because of security concerns? >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight >Each >>>site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is >>>switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited >>>access to the servers, everything but supported file >>>extensions and technologies are switched off. >>> >>>Sales: >>>But the customer has other sites with us with the config >>>but he hasn't come across this problem. >>> >>>Sys Admin: >>>We do however (because of the security of the individual >>>IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the >>>customers "\www\" directory. >>>However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read >>>only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. >>What >>>the customer requires us to do is turn on what would >>allow >>>anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - >>>which can be a problem... >>> >>>Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk >>>permissions which should allow your customer to upload - >>>but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run >a "server >>>health check", which is usually what is done when >someone >>>reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at >>>some point or another).. >>> >>>. >>> >>. >> >.
Dave,
Check the IIS versions of the working & non-working hosts. My guess is the working hosts are running IIS-5 and the non-working ones are running IIS-6 (or IIS-5.1 with XP-SP2). If this is correct, then the newer, tighter security policies are what's causing this issue. (Don't know the solution but will monitor this group to see how this turns out). Phil [quoted text, click to view] "Dave" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:761401c494f0$83b95680$a601280a@phx.gbl... > Hi I am having a problem with my host at the moment and > wondered if anyone could help. > > I am trying to use a script that uploads an image to a > directory. I need to allow the directory to allow write > permissions. I have done this fine with my last host but > having major probs with this one. I attach an email with > details of the discussion, and if someone can tell me if > it is rubbish or not it would be greatly appreciated! > > > START OF MESSAGE > > Sys Admin: > We could give the anonymous user higher level of access by > default - this would however pose a security risk to his > site. There are a lot of exploits out there which will > sweep for anonymous upload access - I doubt it would be to > longer before the site got defaced. > > Sales: > How has this worked for him before, what is it that other > hosts are doing that we aren't? > > Sys Admin: > The other hosts don't have a security policy as tight as > ours. > > You can just make the whole server anonymous, and nobody > would have to remember their password but would it make > it "better"??? > > Sales: > Ok right, so I understand it as well, the whole point we > do it this way is because of security concerns? > > Sys Admin: > Basically our Windows 2003 system is extremely tight Each > site has individual IUSR's, everything anonymous is > switched (uploading via HTTP & FTP). IUSR's have limited > access to the servers, everything but supported file > extensions and technologies are switched off. > > Sales: > But the customer has other sites with us with the config > but he hasn't come across this problem. > > Sys Admin: > We do however (because of the security of the individual > IUSR's), allow read/write/modify permission across the > customers "\www\" directory. > However FrontPage switches the permissions to "read > only" .... This is the actual NTFS disk permissions.. What > the customer requires us to do is turn on what would allow > anonymous uploading as well as uploading from scripts - > which can be a problem... > > Like I mentioned before said, we can change the disk > permissions which should allow your customer to upload - > but they will be reset back to "Read" if we run a "server > health check", which is usually what is done when someone > reports a FP problem (and FP always need maintenance at > some point or another).. >
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