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Ben
12/19/2007 10:06:21 AM
Hi,

We're running Windows 2003 Server (standard) SP2, with ISA Server 2006
(standard). IIS6 is setup as our edge SMTP relay, with an Exchange 2003
server (standard) SP2, on our internal network.

For a while now we've been told that some emails aren't getting through to
us. This only seems to be from 1 or 2 domains, but its always the same
domains.

I've checked the SMTP logs, and it shows the below information, which seems
to suggest a timeout (TIMEOUT 121). I have tried solving this by increasing
the timeout to 15, and then 20 minutes, but this didn't solve the problem.
Having googled the issue some people suggest changing the MTU size of any
routers, so on our DSL router I have dropped this from 1458, down to 1412,
and then 1400 (2 suggested values), but still the problem persists.

I'm not too sure what else could be causing the problem. ISA 2006 seems to
be configured correctly! Could it be something on the sending SMTP server?
Something misconfigured on a router between us and the sender? If so, how do
you go about solving this?

What does the large number after the result code in the log below represent
(953594) - if its the message size, is it bytes or kilobytes - if its bytes
then the message is less than 1mb, but if its kb, then the message is over
116mb, which would explain the timeout. Although the messages that we've
been told we're not getting, have since been forwarded to a yahoo account,
and they are just small plain text emails, no massive attachments or
anything!

2007-12-19 01:14:33 194.xx.xx.139 remotedomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA 192.168.0.1
EHLO 250 0 - -
2007-12-19 01:14:33 194.xx.xx.139 remotedomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA 192.168.0.1
MAIL 250 0 - -
2007-12-19 01:14:33 194.xx.xx.139 remotedomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA 192.168.0.1
RCPT 250 0 - -
2007-12-19 01:30:25 194.xx.xx.139 remotedomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA 192.168.0.1
TIMEOUT 121 953594 - -
2007-12-19 01:30:25 194.xx.xx.139 remotedomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA 192.168.0.1
QUIT 240 953594 - -

Any help, or suggestions greatly appreciated!

Ben

Egbert Nierop
1/9/2008 4:07:00 AM

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just a sanity check. If its just a domain or two that won't be passed,it
might be that there have been defined local domains or aliasses in the SMTP
snap-in. If that is the case, it's delivered locally, but won't arrive.

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Ben
1/14/2008 9:38:32 PM
Hi Egbert,

We have 2 domains defined in the SMTP mmc, one is local (default), and has
the hostname of the server (ISA), the other is a remote domain, which is our
domain name (ourdomain.com).

The local (default) domain only has one setting, which is the drop
directory, set to C:\Inetpub\mailroot\Drop, however, there is nothing in
this directory to indicate failed/dropped messages.

Should I have the local domain defined? It was setup by default when SMTP
was installed. And most of the SMTP config articles I've read reference the
local (default) domain.

Should I try deleting the local (default) domain?

Cheers

Ben

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Sanford Whiteman
1/14/2008 10:01:40 PM
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Traditional setup, yes.

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\Drop isn't for "dropped" as in "disconnected" nor "undeliverable" --
it's for messages that are addressed to users @ the corresponding
domain and "dropped" into this primitive catch-all mailbox. Barring an
event sink or other special routing, msgs to jill@<default_domain>,
joe@<default_domain> -- anyone@<default_domain> -- will go in \Drop.

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You absolutely need the default domain. Do not remove it.

--Sandy


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Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
Ben
1/15/2008 5:12:50 PM
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Hi Sandy,

Thanks for the reply. I was sure we did require the local default domain.

We're still receiving the TIMEOUT 121 problem though. And I've increased the
timeout to 25 minutes, and the max message size to 15mb. But some people are
still telling us that they are sending small text emails, no larger than
10k, and getting it bounced back. Looking in the SMTP log the following is
from an hour ago:

2008-01-15 15:36:08 206.xx.xx.62 mail7.sendingdomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA
192.168.0.1 EHLO 250 218 33 0 SMTP - -
2008-01-15 15:36:08 206.xx.xx.62 mail7.sendingdomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA
192.168.0.1 MAIL 250 70 68 0 SMTP - -
2008-01-15 15:36:08 206.xx.xx.62 mail7.sendingdomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA
192.168.0.1 RCPT 250 39 36 0 SMTP - -
2008-01-15 16:01:36 206.xx.xx.62 mail7.sendingdomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA
192.168.0.1 TIMEOUT 121 84 4 1527359 SMTP - -
2008-01-15 16:01:36 206.xx.xx.62 mail7.sendingdomain.com SMTPSVC1 ISA
192.168.0.1 QUIT 240 84 4 1527359 SMTP - -

I read an article that some advertised ESMTP verbs could be causing a
problem if the remote mail server is trying to use one that ISA is blocking.
So I have just read the following article, and edited the metabase to
disable ESMTP verbs:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/isa/2004/plan/firewall-exchange2003.mspx &
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/257569

I'm waiting to see what happens now!

Ben

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