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does sql server hosting, on shared servers, at a reasonable price. It seems. They also allow client connections. Just playing around I've managed to connect an Access Data Project to a SQL Server database, and to access the database from Enterprise Manager (running locally). First of all - what does anybody think of that as a general idea - local client, connecting to MS SQL Server running on a shared host, connecting over the internet (ADSL here). Speed looket OK ish, but of course I haven't done any real stress testing. Second. In enterprise manager I could see ALL the database, though I could only access mine. What's the security implications of this approach? Third. Anybody got any experience of Shanje? Service/uptime/value etc. Or is there anybody else offering a similar service? Cheers, Jo
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[quoted text, click to view] "Jo Davis" <j@j.com> wrote in message news:4229b9aa$0$38042$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk... > www.shanje.com > > does sql server hosting, on shared servers, at a reasonable price. It > seems. They also allow client connections. Just playing around I've > managed to connect an Access Data Project to a SQL Server database, and to > access the database from Enterprise Manager (running locally). > > First of all - what does anybody think of that as a general idea - local > client, connecting to MS SQL Server running on a shared host, connecting > over the internet (ADSL here). Speed looket OK ish, but of course I > haven't done any real stress testing. If you can anyone can! They must be using SQL Server Authentication which is not as strong as windows. As the database server is open to the outside world the area of exposure is larger than absolutely necessary. Have they changed from the default port? Are they using encryption? What version are they on? [quoted text, click to view] > > Second. In enterprise manager I could see ALL the database, though I could > only access mine. What's the security implications of this approach? What's in a name, someone may be attracted to a database called MultinationalCorpsPayroll!!! [quoted text, click to view] > > Third. Anybody got any experience of Shanje? Service/uptime/value etc. Or > is there anybody else offering a similar service? > Not me, and maybe if you answered any of my questions you should be thinking about moving, they may already be quite busy!!! [quoted text, click to view] > Cheers, Jo John
Thanks John.
The reason they are attractive is that they offer client access to SQL Server at a low price. Most Microsoft (shared) hosting only seems to allow ASP access to SQL Server. The idea is to allow access to the SQL Server from a local VB/Access client, for 2 specified uses, and web, read only access, for everybody else. The databases are named by them - SQLDB1234 or whatever. When I tried to access databases that weren't mine, I couldn't, though I agree it's probably weak. For instance the names of DTS packages are displayed. Most of them seemed to be password protected, but even so, the names gave a lot away. I'll investigate some more, bearing in ming your questions. The price is attractive. As a way of sharing a SQL Server db which also allows client access, the other alternatives seem to be colo/dedicated servers, which generally seem to be 4 or 5 times more expensive. Or actually hosting here on the end of a DSL line. And to be honest I've more faith in their ability to secure a server than I have in mine. Cheers, Jo [quoted text, click to view] "John Bell" <jbellnewsposts@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:422ab516$0$32609$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... > Hi > > "Jo Davis" <j@j.com> wrote in message > news:4229b9aa$0$38042$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk... >> www.shanje.com >> >> does sql server hosting, on shared servers, at a reasonable price. It >> seems. They also allow client connections. Just playing around I've >> managed to connect an Access Data Project to a SQL Server database, and >> to access the database from Enterprise Manager (running locally). >> >> First of all - what does anybody think of that as a general idea - local >> client, connecting to MS SQL Server running on a shared host, connecting >> over the internet (ADSL here). Speed looket OK ish, but of course I >> haven't done any real stress testing. > > If you can anyone can! They must be using SQL Server Authentication which > is not as strong as windows. As the database server is open to the outside > world the area of exposure is larger than absolutely necessary. Have they > changed from the default port? Are they using encryption? What version are > they on? > >> >> Second. In enterprise manager I could see ALL the database, though I >> could only access mine. What's the security implications of this >> approach? > > What's in a name, someone may be attracted to a database called > MultinationalCorpsPayroll!!! > >> >> Third. Anybody got any experience of Shanje? Service/uptime/value etc. Or >> is there anybody else offering a similar service? >> > > Not me, and maybe if you answered any of my questions you should be > thinking about moving, they may already be quite busy!!! > >> Cheers, Jo > > John > >
Hi Jo
Security is a full time job so better left to someone that has dedicate resources. To ascertain what standard those resources are, is up to you, so ask them the awkward probing questions! For instance see what they say if request that they run MBSA and send you the output, I am sure you would run it yourself if you were hosting this! Check out the contract and see if they will stand by their responsibilities. John [quoted text, click to view] "Jo Davis" <j@j.com> wrote in message news:422abee0$0$38039$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk... > Thanks John. > > The reason they are attractive is that they offer client access to SQL > Server at a low price. Most Microsoft (shared) hosting only seems to allow > ASP access to SQL Server. The idea is to allow access to the SQL Server > from a local VB/Access client, for 2 specified uses, and web, read only > access, for everybody else. > > The databases are named by them - SQLDB1234 or whatever. When I tried to > access databases that weren't mine, I couldn't, though I agree it's > probably weak. For instance the names of DTS packages are displayed. Most > of them seemed to be password protected, but even so, the names gave a lot > away. > > I'll investigate some more, bearing in ming your questions. > > The price is attractive. As a way of sharing a SQL Server db which also > allows client access, the other alternatives seem to be colo/dedicated > servers, which generally seem to be 4 or 5 times more expensive. Or > actually hosting here on the end of a DSL line. And to be honest I've more > faith in their ability to secure a server than I have in mine. > > Cheers, Jo > > > > "John Bell" <jbellnewsposts@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:422ab516$0$32609$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk... >> Hi >> >> "Jo Davis" <j@j.com> wrote in message >> news:4229b9aa$0$38042$5a6aecb4@news.aaisp.net.uk... >>> www.shanje.com >>> >>> does sql server hosting, on shared servers, at a reasonable price. It >>> seems. They also allow client connections. Just playing around I've >>> managed to connect an Access Data Project to a SQL Server database, and >>> to access the database from Enterprise Manager (running locally). >>> >>> First of all - what does anybody think of that as a general idea - local >>> client, connecting to MS SQL Server running on a shared host, connecting >>> over the internet (ADSL here). Speed looket OK ish, but of course I >>> haven't done any real stress testing. >> >> If you can anyone can! They must be using SQL Server Authentication which >> is not as strong as windows. As the database server is open to the >> outside world the area of exposure is larger than absolutely necessary. >> Have they changed from the default port? Are they using encryption? What >> version are they on? >> >>> >>> Second. In enterprise manager I could see ALL the database, though I >>> could only access mine. What's the security implications of this >>> approach? >> >> What's in a name, someone may be attracted to a database called >> MultinationalCorpsPayroll!!! >> >>> >>> Third. Anybody got any experience of Shanje? Service/uptime/value etc. >>> Or is there anybody else offering a similar service? >>> >> >> Not me, and maybe if you answered any of my questions you should be >> thinking about moving, they may already be quite busy!!! >> >>> Cheers, Jo >> >> John >> >> > >
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