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Hi,
We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or active/passive? Thanks
To quote another MVP: "That Depends"
What are you trying to accomplish? Do you need more than one instance of SQL Server (I assume that is what you mean by using the incorrect and obsolete term "Active/Active")? Also, what shared storage system are you using? If you are not using a SAN, then the shared storage system may impose limitations of its own on the cluster configuration and capabilities. Also, you do not need SQL 2005 Enterprise Edition for clustering. Standard Edition can cluster up to two nodes with four processor sockets each at a much lower licensing cost. -- Geoff N. Hiten Senior Database Administrator Microsoft SQL Server MVP [quoted text, click to view] "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). > In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or > active/passive? > > Thanks >
Thanks,
This is the first time i am experience sql 2005 clustering on win2003. From db point of view. I am preparing to have a cluster server in prodution and regular sql server offsite for disaster recovery by using log shipping. I have not idea of sql clustering. we have a regular production sql 2kserver (10 dbs) need to move inot the new cluster server. I need help on how do I partition the drives(data files are in X drive and log files in Y dirve....) and what is the better way for us. our network guys are setting up active/passive. I have no ideas that it will affect my dbs? [quoted text, click to view] "Geoff N. Hiten" <SQLCraftsman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uv7tVHqTGHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > To quote another MVP: "That Depends" > > What are you trying to accomplish? Do you need more than one instance of > SQL Server (I assume that is what you mean by using the incorrect and > obsolete term "Active/Active")? Also, what shared storage system are you > using? If you are not using a SAN, then the shared storage system may > impose limitations of its own on the cluster configuration and > capabilities. > > Also, you do not need SQL 2005 Enterprise Edition for clustering. > Standard Edition can cluster up to two nodes with four processor sockets > each at a much lower licensing cost. > > -- > Geoff N. Hiten > Senior Database Administrator > Microsoft SQL Server MVP > > > > "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> >> We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). >> In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or >> active/passive? >> >> Thanks >> > >
Geoff, I need 2 instances are good enough for me at db point of view.
one fails i have the second one use. Am i right? Thansk, [quoted text, click to view] "Geoff N. Hiten" <SQLCraftsman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uv7tVHqTGHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > To quote another MVP: "That Depends" > > What are you trying to accomplish? Do you need more than one instance of > SQL Server (I assume that is what you mean by using the incorrect and > obsolete term "Active/Active")? Also, what shared storage system are you > using? If you are not using a SAN, then the shared storage system may > impose limitations of its own on the cluster configuration and > capabilities. > > Also, you do not need SQL 2005 Enterprise Edition for clustering. > Standard Edition can cluster up to two nodes with four processor sockets > each at a much lower licensing cost. > > -- > Geoff N. Hiten > Senior Database Administrator > Microsoft SQL Server MVP > > > > "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> >> We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). >> In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or >> active/passive? >> >> Thanks >> > >
The nmost import thing for me is that How do I tell my network guys to
partition the hard drive. --- On the regular sql server I'd say. I need 3 drives---- 1 for data, 1 for logs and backup dumps. those 3 drives should be in 3 separate physical drives. Now for Cluster server ---- Answers? Thanks [quoted text, click to view] "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). > In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or > active/passive? > > Thanks >
From your application perspective, there is no change other than having to
point to a new server. -- Geoff N. Hiten Senior Database Administrator Microsoft SQL Server MVP [quoted text, click to view] "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uaLdOOqTGHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Thanks, > > This is the first time i am experience sql 2005 clustering on win2003. > From db point of view. I am preparing to have a cluster server in > prodution and regular sql server offsite for disaster recovery by using > log shipping. > I have not idea of sql clustering. we have a regular production sql > 2kserver (10 dbs) need to move inot the new cluster server. > I need help on how do I partition the drives(data files are in X drive and > log files in Y dirve....) and what is the better way for us. > our network guys are setting up active/passive. I have no ideas that it > will affect my dbs? > > > > > > "Geoff N. Hiten" <SQLCraftsman@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uv7tVHqTGHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> To quote another MVP: "That Depends" >> >> What are you trying to accomplish? Do you need more than one instance of >> SQL Server (I assume that is what you mean by using the incorrect and >> obsolete term "Active/Active")? Also, what shared storage system are you >> using? If you are not using a SAN, then the shared storage system may >> impose limitations of its own on the cluster configuration and >> capabilities. >> >> Also, you do not need SQL 2005 Enterprise Edition for clustering. >> Standard Edition can cluster up to two nodes with four processor sockets >> each at a much lower licensing cost. >> >> -- >> Geoff N. Hiten >> Senior Database Administrator >> Microsoft SQL Server MVP >> >> >> >> "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). >>> In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or >>> active/passive? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> > >
No. Each instance looks and acts like and independent SQL server. When a
host node fails, each instance (up to 16 in a cluster) moves from the failed node to a working node. The application sees SQL stop and then restart. -- Geoff N. Hiten Senior Database Administrator Microsoft SQL Server MVP [quoted text, click to view] "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uurFeQqTGHA.1708@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Geoff, I need 2 instances are good enough for me at db point of view. > one fails i have the second one use. Am i right? > > Thansk, > > > "Geoff N. Hiten" <SQLCraftsman@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:uv7tVHqTGHA.4884@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> To quote another MVP: "That Depends" >> >> What are you trying to accomplish? Do you need more than one instance of >> SQL Server (I assume that is what you mean by using the incorrect and >> obsolete term "Active/Active")? Also, what shared storage system are you >> using? If you are not using a SAN, then the shared storage system may >> impose limitations of its own on the cluster configuration and >> capabilities. >> >> Also, you do not need SQL 2005 Enterprise Edition for clustering. >> Standard Edition can cluster up to two nodes with four processor sockets >> each at a much lower licensing cost. >> >> -- >> Geoff N. Hiten >> Senior Database Administrator >> Microsoft SQL Server MVP >> >> >> >> "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). >>> In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or >>> active/passive? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> > >
Clustering does not affect how drives should be partitioned. For best
recovery and performance, I use one set of drives for data, one for logs, and possibly one for tempdb, but only on very high volume systems. Backups are written directly to a UNC share on another machine. RAID 1+ 0 is best for performance and reliability, but has the highest cost. -- Geoff N. Hiten Senior Database Administrator Microsoft SQL Server MVP [quoted text, click to view] "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uFDOASqTGHA.4236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > The nmost import thing for me is that How do I tell my network guys to > partition the hard drive. --- On the regular sql server I'd say. I need 3 > drives---- 1 for data, 1 for logs and backup dumps. those 3 drives should > be in 3 separate physical drives. > Now for Cluster server ---- Answers? > > Thanks > > "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> >> We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). >> In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or >> active/passive? >> >> Thanks >> > >
Thanks a lot, Geoff, It's very helpful
[quoted text, click to view] "Geoff N. Hiten" <SQLCraftsman@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ee2snqqTGHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... > Clustering does not affect how drives should be partitioned. For best > recovery and performance, I use one set of drives for data, one for logs, > and possibly one for tempdb, but only on very high volume systems. > Backups are written directly to a UNC share on another machine. RAID 1+ 0 > is best for performance and reliability, but has the highest cost. > > -- > Geoff N. Hiten > Senior Database Administrator > Microsoft SQL Server MVP > > > > > "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uFDOASqTGHA.4236@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... >> The nmost import thing for me is that How do I tell my network guys to >> partition the hard drive. --- On the regular sql server I'd say. I need 3 >> drives---- 1 for data, 1 for logs and backup dumps. those 3 drives should >> be in 3 separate physical drives. >> Now for Cluster server ---- Answers? >> >> Thanks >> >> "mecn" <mecn2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:uXw5l$pTGHA.4132@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are move regular sql 2k sp4 server to a cluster server (Without SAN). >>> In general, what is the best way do setup: active/active notes or >>> active/passive? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >> >> > >
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