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sql server clustering : sql 2005 cluster setup questions


Ellie
7/31/2007 12:32:00 PM
Im working on sql consolidation project and I am about to build multiinstance
2 node cluster.
If I want Integration services installed should I manually install on both
nodes or thats something that will be installed automatically on both nodes (
It is crutial to have IS installed)

i want to 2 instances to live on node1 and 2 more on node 2 ( i.e. active
active cluster). Should I start sql set up on one node only or I have to run
setup from home node of each instance?

last one q - is it possible to build 4-instance cluster active-active with
Ayad Shammout
7/31/2007 5:01:11 PM
Answers
1) You have to install SSIS on each node, it is not cluster aware.
2) It doesn't matter but it is recomended to run setup from home node of
each instance.
3) Microsoft SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition supports up to two nodes in a
failover cluster. But if you are planning to have 2 instances on Node A and
2 instances on Node B that can fail to each other, the answer yes, it should
work.

Ayad Shammout

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Geoff N. Hiten
8/1/2007 12:00:00 AM
By default, SSIS only does a local install. You can install it on each node
and cluster it "by hand" afterwards. Here is the article on how to do it:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms345193.aspx

The installer should start from the node that currently owns the disk
resource you wish to use for that particular SQL instance. Personally, I
prefer to run the installer on each node and install just the client tools
and documentation. Those components are not cluster-aware and must be
installed on each node separately anyway. It is less confusing if you get
them out of the way first.

Standard Edition only supports 2-node clusters. It won't work on clusters
with more than two nodes.

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Geoff N. Hiten
Senior SQL Infrastructure Consultant
Microsoft SQL Server MVP



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Ellie
8/2/2007 3:40:00 PM
Thanks so much for valuable information.

what will be the best for consolidated sql envitonment on active/active
cluster with 4 instances

1. to install it SSIS on all nodes to leave it unclustered
2. to configure SSIS in all sql resource groups (dont know if that possible
at all)
3. to cluster SSIS in different cluster group



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Geoff N. Hiten
8/3/2007 12:00:00 AM
The usual "It depends" answer applies.

I have been putting SSIS in a separate resource group, but only on
single-instance clusters. I haven't experimented with clustering SSIS for
multiple instances. I suggest unclustered for this many nodes, that way,
there is always a local copy for each instance to use. If you only use SSIS
on one instance, then I would cluster around that instance.

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Geoff N. Hiten
Senior SQL Infrastructure Consultant
Microsoft SQL Server MVP



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Li
10/5/2007 8:09:06 AM


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Li
10/5/2007 8:17:01 AM
I installed SSIS on Active node of SQL Server 2005 Std, Active/Passive
Cluster. Do I need to install it on Passive node too if I don't need SSIS to
be configures as a cluster resource? What will be the disadvantages for not
having SSIS on 2nd node?

Thanks.

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Li
10/5/2007 8:30:02 AM
Thanks, Rodney. I'll install SSIS on 2nd node. How about work station
component? I did not install it on the 2nd node in another cluster
environment and don't plan to do it for this one either. will that be bad?

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Li
10/5/2007 9:20:00 AM
Thanks again, Rodney. One more question, I don't need to do anything after
installing SSIS on 2nd node, right? Since I don't want them to be configured
as cluster resource?



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Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]
10/5/2007 10:21:50 AM
Every node of a cluster should be alike in every way.

Cheers,

Rodney R. Fournier

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
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http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
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Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]
10/5/2007 10:58:42 AM
Install the workstation stuff too!!

Cheers,

Rodney R. Fournier

MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner


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Li
10/5/2007 12:14:02 PM
not waht I want to hear but thank you very much for the information - I did
want to take Microsoft recommended approach not to cluster SSIS but I think
I'll follow your suggestion because we do have shared files.

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Geoff N. Hiten
10/5/2007 1:40:48 PM
Funny you should ask. I just wrote a blog post on that topic:

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/geoffh/archive/2007/10/04/To-Cluster-or-Not-to-Cluster-That-SSIS-the-Question.aspx


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Geoff N. Hiten
Senior SQL Infrastructure Consultant
Microsoft SQL Server MVP


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Li
10/5/2007 2:44:02 PM
I got an error hoping someone can help me:

When I run the installation, I missed a '\' when specified destination
folder name for the work station component, it looks hideous in NT Explorer
so I decided to uninstall work station (it was only installed on primary node
at this point) component, deleted the folder from both nodes then reinstall
it with correct folder name. Everything went smoothly, new installation
completed with correct folder name and tools are working fine. When I went
to 2nd node to install work station component, the original folder was still
there and would not let me delete saying "Cannot delete
DTSPipelinePerf.dll:Access is denied..." SSIS was installed on the primary
node at the time so I unintalled it to make sure nothing was using the .ddl
but still getting the same error after reboot both nodes. The worst part is,
if I try to install work station on 2nd node, it will point to there and
would not let me change the installation path. I only have Database Engine
installed right now, no components. I asked my NT Admin to force delete the
folder but he said "I can remove the reference to the DLL from the Registry
so it won't load...". Does anyone has any suggestions? I prefer not
touching registry keys. Thanks in advance for your help.

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Geoff N. Hiten
10/5/2007 3:16:38 PM
Glad I could help.

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Geoff N. Hiten
Senior SQL Infrastructure Consultant
Microsoft SQL Server MVP


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Rodney R. Fournier [MVP]
10/5/2007 7:42:09 PM
Listen to Geoff, always listen to Geoff. No matter what I ever say, listen
to Geoff! And no I am not kidding, he is a God among men!

Cheers,

Rodney R. Fournier
MVP - Windows Server - Clustering
http://www.nw-america.com - Clustering Website
http://msmvps.com/clustering - Blog
http://www.clusterhelp.com - Cluster Training
ClusterHelp.com is a Microsoft Certified Gold Partner


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Geoff N. Hiten
10/6/2007 10:22:02 PM
My children seem to have a different opinion. :)

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Geoff N. Hiten
Senior SQL Infrastructure Consultant
Microsoft SQL Server MVP


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Geoff N. Hiten
10/6/2007 10:24:55 PM
Ouch.

Here is the official instructions on how to rip SQL 2005 out by the roots.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909967/en-us

Personally, I think FDISK may be your best friend if you can afford to take
the system down and rebuild it.

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Geoff N. Hiten
Senior SQL Infrastructure Consultant
Microsoft SQL Server MVP


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Li
10/8/2007 11:19:06 AM
Thanks again, Geoff. I have a new questions today:

apparently applying SP2 had broken DBMail and Maintenance Plan, after some
research online, I learned Build 3175 can fix the problem. Question 1) Have
anyone apply Build 3175 on a cluster? is it the same procedures as applying
SP2? 2) should I install Work Station and SSIS components on both nodes
first or I should wait until after applying Build 3175? 3) do I need to
apply SP2 first then Build 3175 on 2nd node after both components are
installed on it?

Thanks.

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