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DEAR MICROSOFT:
WOULD YOU PLEASE put up a web page showing the price list of EXPECTED COSTS for MOM & POP when choosing between MySql/PHP and .NET. FIRST: Show INITIAL COSTS for like a 5-10 page web site that can take a few orders... INCLUDE THE ISP charges..developer, software... ******************************************************************* **** Everything that MOM AND POP have to WRITE A CHECK FOR.**** ******************************************************************* NEXT: Show the costs of PORTING from MS Access and Porting from MySql.... 2ND: Show the costs of STAYING with MySql/PHP to avoid the port WHILE having SMALL GROWTH for MOM and POP SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even STARTUP and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... Not every site is going to be an eBay....say if they just want to explore their dream....... It's not going to hurt you to make your stuff "AFFORDABLE" for them to chase their dream...... (AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN FREE)
Not the reject of society again! Get a life.
Kieran [quoted text, click to view] "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message news:%23$Bh9NOfDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > WOULD YOU PLEASE put up a web page showing the price list of EXPECTED COSTS > for MOM & POP when choosing between MySql/PHP and .NET. > > FIRST: > Show INITIAL COSTS for like a 5-10 page web site that can take a few > orders... > INCLUDE THE ISP charges..developer, software... > > ******************************************************************* > **** Everything that MOM AND POP have to WRITE A CHECK FOR.**** > ******************************************************************* > > > NEXT: > Show the costs of PORTING from MS Access and Porting from MySql.... > > 2ND: > Show the costs of STAYING with MySql/PHP to avoid the port WHILE having > SMALL GROWTH for MOM and POP > > > SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even STARTUP > and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... > > > Not every site is going to be an eBay....say if they just want to explore > their dream....... > > It's not going to hurt you to make your stuff "AFFORDABLE" for them to chase > their dream...... > > (AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN FREE) > > >
DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........
VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003] Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing ....UNSUSTAINABLE....... The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott McNealy (pictured). CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK ......McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support costs needed to be squeezed out. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users told us to be predictable, be simple," he said...... http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm "The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude," or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our industry in the next five to 10 years." READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable" [quoted text, click to view] "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf.nosp@m.activevb.de> wrote in message news:ekDrKCRfDHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > Hello, > > "Kieran Benton" <kieranbenton@fastmail.fm> schrieb: > > Not the reject of society again! Get a life. > > Don't feed the trolls. > > -- > Herfried K. Wagner > MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET > http://www.mvps.org/dotnet > >
DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........
VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003] Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing ....UNSUSTAINABLE....... The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott McNealy (pictured). CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK ......McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support costs needed to be squeezed out. KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users told us to be predictable, be simple," he said...... http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm "The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude," or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our industry in the next five to 10 years." READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable" [quoted text, click to view] "Stu Smith" <stuarts@remove.digita.com> wrote in message news:uVRSn0SfDHA.1712@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > It is the school holidays, remember. Nothing else to do.... > > I have another theory. You Billy-Bob (aka "nospam") has a great idea for a > dotcom startup: the internet's leading supplier of cheese toasties ("I can > run it from my bedroom! I've got a Breville!"). He wants SQL Server > Enterprise edition though, as he's expecting volume sales, and for once in > his spoilt life Mom and Pop want to know what he needs $4000 for. Since they > won't lend it him, he's stamping his little foot and having a paddy here in > the forums. > > Tee hee. > > > "Kieran Benton" <kieranbenton@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > news:ez6s0kPfDHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > Not the reject of society again! Get a life. > > > > Kieran > > > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message > > news:%23$Bh9NOfDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > > > > > WOULD YOU PLEASE put up a web page showing the price list of EXPECTED > > COSTS > > > for MOM & POP when choosing between MySql/PHP and .NET. > > > > > > FIRST: > > > Show INITIAL COSTS for like a 5-10 page web site that can take a few > > > orders... > > > INCLUDE THE ISP charges..developer, software... > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > **** Everything that MOM AND POP have to WRITE A CHECK FOR.**** > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > NEXT: > > > Show the costs of PORTING from MS Access and Porting from MySql.... > > > > > > 2ND: > > > Show the costs of STAYING with MySql/PHP to avoid the port WHILE having > > > SMALL GROWTH for MOM and POP > > > > > > > > > SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even > > STARTUP > > > and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... > > > > > > > > > Not every site is going to be an eBay....say if they just want to > explore > > > their dream....... > > > > > > It's not going to hurt you to make your stuff "AFFORDABLE" for them to > > chase > > > their dream...... > > > > > > (AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN FREE) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Was this really necessary three f***ing times?
[quoted text, click to view] > DEAR LITTLE MVP's WHO HAVE A LOT TO LEARN........ Little MVP - Contradiction in terms... [quoted text, click to view] > > > VUNET.COM - McNealy slams IT industry overcharging > By Peter Williams Sun Network Conference, San Francisco [17-09-2003] > Sun chief warns against alienating customers with 'unacceptable' pricing > This coming from the company that has been known to charge several million dollars for a single computer... Of course he talks about unacceptable pricing. [quoted text, click to view] > ...UNSUSTAINABLE....... > The computer industry is overcharging customers to an unsustainable and > unacceptable extent, according to Sun Microsystems' chief executive Scott > McNealy (pictured). It also sucks when your in a lawsuit with Microsoft over Java. Of course he's pissed, MS has more money. [quoted text, click to view] > > CARS DON"T NEED SERVICE EVERY EACH WEEK > .....McNealy compared IT with modern cars, which can now drive far further > distance before needing a service, and warned that IT complexity and support > costs needed to be squeezed out. Once again coming from a company that charges for these support costs... [quoted text, click to view] > KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID MVP'S I don't beleive you just used the Acronym KISS. but added your own MVP. Hate to break it to you troll, if it was simple, everyone would be in this industry... and we all saw what happened because of that (ahem Redhat, VA Linux, Inflated earnings, market crash). [quoted text, click to view] > He described this as the philosophy behind Sun's new initiatives. "Users > told us to be predictable, be simple," he said...... > Have you met some of these Java developers? So listen troll.. I'm really tired of hearing about mom and pop shops. Software isn't just about making money (we ALL can attest to not making nearly the amount we "should") but solving a problem. Mom and pop shops as you call it don't need massive IT infrastructure, because unless they are a superior specialtiy shop, people tend to come into the store to buy, not on the internet. So right there, your wasting there money for a concept that will never work. Software is about solving a problem, not causing new ones. Business is far to competitive to throw away money on bunk dotcom ideas. You forgot to mention support costs from the developer. You think that once its written its all over. Developer moves on to the next project and everyone is happy in this life. In a pipe dream. So scott thinks we are overcharging? Cmon now. At least when I purchase a microsoft product, I know I have the support behind it. Yeah they have their problems, but once again, I have the support. Lets see that come from Sun, Redhat, Caldera, Suse, etc without charging an arm and a leg. Troll on... jackass... [quoted text, click to view] > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1143671 > > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,39020351,39116406,00.htm > > "The world has to be getting a little disappointed in our industry," McNealy > said on Tuesday, addressing attendees of the company's SunNetwork > conference. "We are overcharging in our industry by an order of magnitude," > or by up to 10 times, he said. "That cost...is going to come out of our > industry in the next five to 10 years." > > READ CLOSELY......."unsustainable" > > > > "Stu Smith" <stuarts@remove.digita.com> wrote in message > news:uVRSn0SfDHA.1712@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > It is the school holidays, remember. Nothing else to do.... > > > > I have another theory. You Billy-Bob (aka "nospam") has a great idea for a > > dotcom startup: the internet's leading supplier of cheese toasties ("I can > > run it from my bedroom! I've got a Breville!"). He wants SQL Server > > Enterprise edition though, as he's expecting volume sales, and for once in > > his spoilt life Mom and Pop want to know what he needs $4000 for. Since > they > > won't lend it him, he's stamping his little foot and having a paddy here > in > > the forums. > > > > Tee hee. > > > > > > "Kieran Benton" <kieranbenton@fastmail.fm> wrote in message > > news:ez6s0kPfDHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > > > Not the reject of society again! Get a life. > > > > > > Kieran > > > > > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message > > > news:%23$Bh9NOfDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > > > > > > > WOULD YOU PLEASE put up a web page showing the price list of EXPECTED > > > COSTS > > > > for MOM & POP when choosing between MySql/PHP and .NET. > > > > > > > > FIRST: > > > > Show INITIAL COSTS for like a 5-10 page web site that can take a few > > > > orders... > > > > INCLUDE THE ISP charges..developer, software... > > > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > **** Everything that MOM AND POP have to WRITE A CHECK FOR.**** > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > > > > NEXT: > > > > Show the costs of PORTING from MS Access and Porting from MySql.... > > > > > > > > 2ND: > > > > Show the costs of STAYING with MySql/PHP to avoid the port WHILE > having > > > > SMALL GROWTH for MOM and POP > > > > > > > > > > > > SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even > > > STARTUP > > > > and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Not every site is going to be an eBay....say if they just want to > > explore > > > > their dream....... > > > > > > > > It's not going to hurt you to make your stuff "AFFORDABLE" for them to > > > chase > > > > their dream...... > > > > > > > > (AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN FREE) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Hello,
"Kieran Benton" <kieranbenton@fastmail.fm> schrieb: [quoted text, click to view] > Not the reject of society again! Get a life. Don't feed the trolls. -- Herfried K. Wagner MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
It is the school holidays, remember. Nothing else to do....
I have another theory. You Billy-Bob (aka "nospam") has a great idea for a dotcom startup: the internet's leading supplier of cheese toasties ("I can run it from my bedroom! I've got a Breville!"). He wants SQL Server Enterprise edition though, as he's expecting volume sales, and for once in his spoilt life Mom and Pop want to know what he needs $4000 for. Since they won't lend it him, he's stamping his little foot and having a paddy here in the forums. Tee hee. [quoted text, click to view] "Kieran Benton" <kieranbenton@fastmail.fm> wrote in message news:ez6s0kPfDHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > Not the reject of society again! Get a life. > > Kieran > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message > news:%23$Bh9NOfDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > > > WOULD YOU PLEASE put up a web page showing the price list of EXPECTED > COSTS > > for MOM & POP when choosing between MySql/PHP and .NET. > > > > FIRST: > > Show INITIAL COSTS for like a 5-10 page web site that can take a few > > orders... > > INCLUDE THE ISP charges..developer, software... > > > > ******************************************************************* > > **** Everything that MOM AND POP have to WRITE A CHECK FOR.**** > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > NEXT: > > Show the costs of PORTING from MS Access and Porting from MySql.... > > > > 2ND: > > Show the costs of STAYING with MySql/PHP to avoid the port WHILE having > > SMALL GROWTH for MOM and POP > > > > > > SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even > STARTUP > > and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... > > > > > > Not every site is going to be an eBay....say if they just want to explore > > their dream....... > > > > It's not going to hurt you to make your stuff "AFFORDABLE" for them to > chase > > their dream...... > > > > (AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN FREE) > > > > > > > >
please...i can't take anymore! he hasn't followed his old thread today. that
gives the rest of us new hope that his mouth/keyboard is becoming as numb as his mind. i fear further provocation will lead to more emphatic dribble from our beloved! silence IS golden. ;^ ) [quoted text, click to view] "plentyspam" <filter@post.com> wrote in message news:uzmQlXXfDHA.128@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > WRITE ON NOSPAM. > > IT'S NOT JUST MOM AND POP!! > > WHAT ABOUT MUM AND DAD ? > WHAT ABOUT MUTTI UND VATTI ?? > > WHAT ABOUT AMA ??? HAVE YOU GIVEN A THOUGHT FOR HER ???? > > WHAT ABOUT GREAT UNCLE HERBERT?? - HE''S GOT GREAT IDEAS BUT CAN HE GO AHEAD > WITH THEM? > > NO. NONE OF THEM CAN. > > LIFE'S NOT FAIR. LIFE SUCKS. SO DO CHILDREN WITH LOLLIPOPS BUT THAT'S A > DIGRESSION. > >
you should be the first to take your advice....
[quoted text, click to view] "steve" <asd@abc.com> wrote in message news:vmhvo367913i9a@corp.supernews.com... > please...i can't take anymore! he hasn't followed his old thread today. that > gives the rest of us new hope that his mouth/keyboard is becoming as numb as > his mind. i fear further provocation will lead to more emphatic dribble from > our beloved! > > silence IS golden. > > ;^ ) > > > "plentyspam" <filter@post.com> wrote in message > news:uzmQlXXfDHA.128@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > WRITE ON NOSPAM. > > > > IT'S NOT JUST MOM AND POP!! > > > > WHAT ABOUT MUM AND DAD ? > > WHAT ABOUT MUTTI UND VATTI ?? > > > > WHAT ABOUT AMA ??? HAVE YOU GIVEN A THOUGHT FOR HER ???? > > > > WHAT ABOUT GREAT UNCLE HERBERT?? - HE''S GOT GREAT IDEAS BUT CAN HE GO > AHEAD > > WITH THEM? > > > > NO. NONE OF THEM CAN. > > > > LIFE'S NOT FAIR. LIFE SUCKS. SO DO CHILDREN WITH LOLLIPOPS BUT THAT'S A > > DIGRESSION. > > > > > >
Excellent post Herfried!
Trolls suck! [quoted text, click to view] "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf.nosp@m.activevb.de> wrote in message news:ekDrKCRfDHA.1732@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > Hello, > > "Kieran Benton" <kieranbenton@fastmail.fm> schrieb: > > Not the reject of society again! Get a life. > > Don't feed the trolls. > > -- > Herfried K. Wagner > MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET > http://www.mvps.org/dotnet > >
WRITE ON NOSPAM.
IT'S NOT JUST MOM AND POP!! WHAT ABOUT MUM AND DAD ? WHAT ABOUT MUTTI UND VATTI ?? WHAT ABOUT AMA ??? HAVE YOU GIVEN A THOUGHT FOR HER ???? WHAT ABOUT GREAT UNCLE HERBERT?? - HE''S GOT GREAT IDEAS BUT CAN HE GO AHEAD WITH THEM? NO. NONE OF THEM CAN. LIFE'S NOT FAIR. LIFE SUCKS. SO DO CHILDREN WITH LOLLIPOPS BUT THAT'S A DIGRESSION.
"nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in
news:#$Bh9NOfDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl: [quoted text, click to view] > SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even > STARTUP and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... Have you considered MySQL + .NET? -- Lucas Tam (REMOVEnntp@rogers.com) Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
well nanny, nanny, na-na!
[quoted text, click to view] "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message news:u5JmvwZfDHA.3464@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... > you should be the first to take your advice.... > > > > "steve" <asd@abc.com> wrote in message > news:vmhvo367913i9a@corp.supernews.com... > > please...i can't take anymore! he hasn't followed his old thread today. > that > > gives the rest of us new hope that his mouth/keyboard is becoming as numb > as > > his mind. i fear further provocation will lead to more emphatic dribble > from > > our beloved! > > > > silence IS golden. > > > > ;^ ) > > > > > > "plentyspam" <filter@post.com> wrote in message > > news:uzmQlXXfDHA.128@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > > WRITE ON NOSPAM. > > > > > > IT'S NOT JUST MOM AND POP!! > > > > > > WHAT ABOUT MUM AND DAD ? > > > WHAT ABOUT MUTTI UND VATTI ?? > > > > > > WHAT ABOUT AMA ??? HAVE YOU GIVEN A THOUGHT FOR HER ???? > > > > > > WHAT ABOUT GREAT UNCLE HERBERT?? - HE''S GOT GREAT IDEAS BUT CAN HE GO > > AHEAD > > > WITH THEM? > > > > > > NO. NONE OF THEM CAN. > > > > > > LIFE'S NOT FAIR. LIFE SUCKS. SO DO CHILDREN WITH LOLLIPOPS BUT THAT'S A > > > DIGRESSION. > > > > > > > > > > > >
[This followup was posted to microsoft.public.dotnet.framework and a
copy was sent to the cited author.] In article <ez6s0kPfDHA.556@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, kieranbenton@fastmail.fm says... [quoted text, click to view] > Not the reject of society again! Get a life.
> > Kieran > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message > news:%23$Bh9NOfDHA.892@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > > DEAR MICROSOFT: > > > > WOULD YOU PLEASE put up a web page showing the price list of EXPECTED > COSTS > > for MOM & POP when choosing between MySql/PHP and .NET. > > > > FIRST: > > Show INITIAL COSTS for like a 5-10 page web site that can take a few > > orders... > > INCLUDE THE ISP charges..developer, software... > > > > ******************************************************************* > > **** Everything that MOM AND POP have to WRITE A CHECK FOR.**** > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > NEXT: > > Show the costs of PORTING from MS Access and Porting from MySql.... > > > > 2ND: > > Show the costs of STAYING with MySql/PHP to avoid the port WHILE having > > SMALL GROWTH for MOM and POP > > > > > > SEE what I am GETTING AT......SHOW THIS BILL TO MOM AND POP or even > STARTUP > > and then SEE WHY THEY choose PHP/MySql..... > > > > > > Not every site is going to be an eBay....say if they just want to explore > > their dream....... > > > > It's not going to hurt you to make your stuff "AFFORDABLE" for them to > chase > > their dream...... > > > > (AFFORDABLE DOESN'T MEAN FREE) > > > > > > > > >
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