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Amazon wins patent for ordering forms # 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8 http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of the form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section of the form would then be displayed again. The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been made, according to a copy of the patent. Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are pointing to the same application..... Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1? What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing?
You are not reading the patent correctly.
You only need to look at Claim #1...It mentions nothing about HTML. Claim #6 uses Claim #1, but Claim #1 doesn't need Claim #6 whatsoever..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 1. A method for displaying a form at a client system, the method comprising: providing a document describing the form, the form having a plurality of sections, each section having descriptive information and a plurality of data entry fields; displaying the descriptive information for each section; in response to a user selecting descriptive information of a section, expanding that section by displaying the data entry fields associated with that section; and when the user indicates to collapse the expanded section, collapsing that section by removing the displayed data entry field and redisplaying the descriptive information for that section. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- So CLAIM #1, can mean Windows OR any FORM practically.....heck what's a FORM..any window with a Textbox...... [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Fitzpatrick" <markfitz@fitzme.com> wrote in message news:OYEkvyYfDHA.1832@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Things like a treeview probably don't apply. What the patents is directed at > is forms, not things like printing windows. Minimize and maximize is not > threatened. What they have patented is the concept that if you have a form > with multiple sections and the selection of a form field in one section will > cause the expansion of another section (such as checking a box for "ship to > a different address" will cause a section to open with the fields needed for > the different shipping address). The claims also specifically state that > this must be an HTML document so that leaves out a lot of other > applications. You have to really sift through the individual claims in it to > get a good enough feel of how restrictive it is, and with almost 40 claims I > fell asleep on 10. The key items though are a plurality (multiple) section > form rendered in HTML where a single section at a time can be activated by > the selection of a data field in one of the other sections. > > Hope this helps, > Mark Fitzpatrick > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message > news:ef7syWWfDHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > NEWS.COM > > > > Amazon wins patent for ordering forms > > # 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8 > > http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html > > > > In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for > > expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of > the > > form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section > > of the form would then be displayed again. > > The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark > > Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and > > redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been > > made, according to a copy of the patent. > > > > > > > > Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are > > pointing to the same application..... > > > > Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1? > > > > What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view > > explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing? > > > > > >
Things like a treeview probably don't apply. What the patents is directed at
is forms, not things like printing windows. Minimize and maximize is not threatened. What they have patented is the concept that if you have a form with multiple sections and the selection of a form field in one section will cause the expansion of another section (such as checking a box for "ship to a different address" will cause a section to open with the fields needed for the different shipping address). The claims also specifically state that this must be an HTML document so that leaves out a lot of other applications. You have to really sift through the individual claims in it to get a good enough feel of how restrictive it is, and with almost 40 claims I fell asleep on 10. The key items though are a plurality (multiple) section form rendered in HTML where a single section at a time can be activated by the selection of a data field in one of the other sections. Hope this helps, Mark Fitzpatrick Microsoft MVP - FrontPage [quoted text, click to view] "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message news:ef7syWWfDHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > NEWS.COM > > Amazon wins patent for ordering forms > # 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8 > http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html > > In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for > expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of the > form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section > of the form would then be displayed again. > The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark > Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and > redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been > made, according to a copy of the patent. > > > > Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are > pointing to the same application..... > > Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1? > > What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view > explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing? > >
Reading more.....LOOK at claim #10.....
________________________________________ 10. A method in a computer system for editing fields comprising: displaying the content of the fields; receiving a selection of a field whose content is displayed; in response to receiving the selection, displaying an editing window in which the content of the selected field is edited; and after the content of the field is edited, removing the displayed editing window and displaying the selected field with the edited content. _________________________________________ That sounds just like editing a datagrid....... Oh, well, I guess Microsoft is going to stop using the Datagrid/DataSet for editing. # 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8 [quoted text, click to view] "Mark Fitzpatrick" <markfitz@fitzme.com> wrote in message news:OYEkvyYfDHA.1832@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Things like a treeview probably don't apply. What the patents is directed at > is forms, not things like printing windows. Minimize and maximize is not > threatened. What they have patented is the concept that if you have a form > with multiple sections and the selection of a form field in one section will > cause the expansion of another section (such as checking a box for "ship to > a different address" will cause a section to open with the fields needed for > the different shipping address). The claims also specifically state that > this must be an HTML document so that leaves out a lot of other > applications. You have to really sift through the individual claims in it to > get a good enough feel of how restrictive it is, and with almost 40 claims I > fell asleep on 10. The key items though are a plurality (multiple) section > form rendered in HTML where a single section at a time can be activated by > the selection of a data field in one of the other sections. > > Hope this helps, > Mark Fitzpatrick > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message > news:ef7syWWfDHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > NEWS.COM > > > > Amazon wins patent for ordering forms > > # 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8 > > http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html > > > > In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for > > expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of > the > > form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section > > of the form would then be displayed again. > > The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark > > Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and > > redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been > > made, according to a copy of the patent. > > > > > > > > Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are > > pointing to the same application..... > > > > Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1? > > > > What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view > > explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing? > > > > > >
Hello,
"nospam" <n@ntspam.com> schrieb: [OT stuff] Please do not include the microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb group in your "to:" list. Thanks! Show us that you are not a troll. EOT -- Herfried K. Wagner MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
You don't own this newsgroup....so bug off
[quoted text, click to view] "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf.nosp@m.activevb.de> wrote in message news:eYeYcjdfDHA.908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > Hello, > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> schrieb: > [OT stuff] > > Please do not include the microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb group in your > "to:" list. Thanks! Show us that you are not a troll. > > EOT > > -- > Herfried K. Wagner > MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET > http://www.mvps.org/dotnet > >
You are right, Herfried doesn't own the newsgroups, nor does he pretend to .
But in reference to your other post...on microsoft.dotnet.public.general....<added below> Maybe he just feels bad b/c you didn't take your lithium....and just basically too stupid, too lame, and too much of a pain in the ass to want you in this newsgroup. While I can't speak for Herfried, I can verify, that's how I feel. Don't you have an Access Database to go program for Mom and Pop? From nospam on the NG referenced above. <<I'm sorry about my ridiculous posts. I know I've angered a bunch of you. Here's the deal. I'm a washed up Cobol programmer who was never good at much of anything. I often post on newsgroups and pretend to be a big time programmer that venture capitalists clamor for while droning on and on about Mom and Pop shops. Yes, Ebay and Granny's restuarant are both on my clientele list. I get erotically excited when I see a MVP reply to my post and I will immediately reply "Good A MVP" because that's the only way I can get anyone to post. Also, I don't believe in posting code, only anti-MS rhetoric. I also occassionally run on and on about my reason for only posting my name as 'nospam' . Anyway, Oliver Stone has agreed to make a new movie out of my life provided I promise to take my Lithium as prescribed. It'll be really kewl. And to all of you that pretend I'm not a real important dude...f-off. Also, If I catch you posting pretending to be me, just to mock how paranoid I am...you will pay for it. When I get back on my Lithium, I'll figure out who you are and me, Mom and Pop will come and egg your house. [quoted text, click to view] >> "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> wrote in message news:OhUMX57fDHA.2260@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > You don't own this newsgroup....so bug off > > > "Herfried K. Wagner [MVP]" <hirf.nosp@m.activevb.de> wrote in message > news:eYeYcjdfDHA.908@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... > > Hello, > > > > "nospam" <n@ntspam.com> schrieb: > > [OT stuff] > > > > Please do not include the microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb group in > your > > "to:" list. Thanks! Show us that you are not a troll. > > > > EOT > > > > -- > > Herfried K. Wagner > > MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET > > http://www.mvps.org/dotnet > > > > > >
Hello,
"nospam" <n@ntspam.com> schrieb: [quoted text, click to view] > You don't own this newsgroup....so bug off *PLONK* -- Herfried K. Wagner MVP · VB Classic, VB.NET http://www.mvps.org/dotnet
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copy was sent to the cited author.] In article <ef7syWWfDHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, n@ntspam.com says... [quoted text, click to view] > NEWS.COM I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and > > Amazon wins patent for ordering forms > # 6,615,226 http://tinyurl.com/m7v8 > http://news.com.com/2100-1017-5070569.html > > In its latest patent, the online retailing giant outlined a method for > expanding portions of the ordering form, then collapsing that portion of the > form and removing the data fields. The content for that particular section > of the form would then be displayed again. > The patent, filed in September 1997 with the U.S. Patent and Trademark > Office, also described a method for editing content on the order form and > redisplaying the information in the section after the changes have been > made, according to a copy of the patent. > > > > Does this minimize and maximize is threatened? As say if two windows are > pointing to the same application..... > > Or what about opening up the Printing Window using the old Windows 3.1? > > What about that networking company of long ago with the tree view > explorer...wasn't that expanding and collapsing? > > > provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this.
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> I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and > provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this. > Why should they be allowed to patent such thing? If someone can show that they did it first ("prior art"), then the patent becomes invalid. You can submit prior art to the patent office and ask them to revoke a patent (or pending patent). Of course, you have to be able to prove that you did it before the patent was *submitted* (as opposed to granted). -- -Jimmy
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"Jimmy [Used-Disks]" <noemail@used-disks.com> wrote in message news:uyknJsOiDHA.884@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and > > provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this. > > Why should they be allowed to patent such thing? > > If someone can show that they did it first ("prior art"), then the patent > becomes invalid. You can submit prior art to the patent office and ask them > to revoke a patent (or pending patent). Of course, you have to be able to > prove that you did it before the patent was *submitted* (as opposed to > granted). When did they apply for the patent? We have an Intranet back end order pickup system that has had this implemented for years. (I always thought a patent on such a thing is ridiculous, because show/hide is a basic, basic feature of dhtml - how can you patent that?) R.
Why do dogs lick their balls? Because they can.
Jerry [quoted text, click to view] "Richard K Bethell" <softdev@spammingisevil.bad> wrote in message news:eS1FxxbiDHA.692@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > "Jimmy [Used-Disks]" <noemail@used-disks.com> wrote in message > news:uyknJsOiDHA.884@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... > > > I have a tutorial on Java that I wrote before 1997 which used HTML and > > > provided for expansion to give more details. Yet I did not patent this. > > > Why should they be allowed to patent such thing? > > > > If someone can show that they did it first ("prior art"), then the patent > > becomes invalid. You can submit prior art to the patent office and ask > them > > to revoke a patent (or pending patent). Of course, you have to be able to > > prove that you did it before the patent was *submitted* (as opposed to > > granted). > > When did they apply for the patent? We have an Intranet back end order > pickup system that has had this implemented for years. (I always thought a > patent on such a thing is ridiculous, because show/hide is a basic, basic > feature of dhtml - how can you patent that?) > > R. > >
[quoted text, click to view] "Jerry III" <jerryiii@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uszs6GHjDHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... > Why do dogs lick their balls?
In article <uszs6GHjDHA.2328@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>, jerryiii@hotmail.com
says... [quoted text, click to view] > Why do dogs lick their balls? Because they can. That is absolutely not true. It's because they can't make a little fist.
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